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Crypto Revisited (Part One)

2024-07-18 00:46:27

Red Pilled America is a weekly storytelling show that tells the tales Hollywood and the Globalist don't want you to hear. You can think of RPA as audio documentaries. This pioneering series is broadcast every Friday and is hosted by Patrick Courrielche & Adryana Cortez. For the full archive of episodes, visit RedPilledAmerica.com

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On January 3rd, 2009,, the Bitcoin network quietly went live.

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At first, excitement was limited to a few computer coders and anti-Federal Reserve activists.

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Bitcoin is an electronic online digital currency.

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But in the matter of just a couple years, Bitcoin spawned a massive cryptocurrency industry that has taken America, and the world, on a wild rollercoaster ride. The value of this money is like totally unpredictable. It fluctuates from $20 a unit to $260 a unit and all the way back down.

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Bitcoin on Wednesday hit a new all-time high of more than $66,000 US dollars. Christ is back! And he's got Bitcoin! Bitcoin is in freefall. It's almost 70% off its historic high.

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Sam Bankman-Fried arrested overnight in the Bahamas. It's the worst week in cryptocurrency history.

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With the cryptocurrency industry no longer in its infancy, it's time to ask the question, where is crypto going?

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And I'm Adriana Cortez.

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Welcome to Red Pill, Demerica.

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So we first took an interest in cryptocurrency in 2019 when we heard then-President Trump's argument against Bitcoin.

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Crypto is being talked about. The president actually weighed in and tweeted about cryptocurrencies last night. He wrote in part this, I'm not a fan of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, which are not money and whose value is highly volatile, based on thin air, he writes. Unregulated crypto assets can facilitate unlawful behavior, including drug trade and other illegal activity, writes the president.

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So we produced a three-part series on the topic and asked the question, is Bitcoin dangerous to America? If you haven't heard it, you should go give it a listen. We concluded, based on the president's argument, that Bitcoin wasn't necessarily dangerous to America. But did we get it wrong? Now that the crypto industry is no longer in its infancy, we thought we'd revisit the topic by asking the question, where is crypto going?

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To find the answer, we're going to tell the story of the astonishing rise and spectacular fall of crypto entrepreneur Sam Bankman-Fried. Along the way, we speak to some influential thinkers in the crypto space, including Doomberg, one of the most widely read financial newsletters on Substack, Dirty Bubble Media, an independent investigative journalist whose reporting is credited with triggering the downfall of Sam Bankman-Fried, Peter Schiff, famed CEO and chief global strategist of Euro-Pacific Capital Inc., and Ben Armstrong, crypto enthusiast and creator of BitBoyCrypto.com. The chaos of the digital cash phenomenon has not only created a divide between proponents and critics of cryptocurrency, it has also exposed a civil war amongst crypto enthusiasts as well. A conflict that has revealed the likely future of the cryptocurrency industry.

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It was a Friday evening in mid-November 2022, and Zane Tackett looked worn out.

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I literally haven't slept the last two nights, so it's been hectic.

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The thin, dark-haired, 20-something-looking white guy was appearing on a late-night livestream of the Up Only podcast. At the time, Zane was the head of institutional sales at cryptocurrency exchange FTX. Or at least, that's what his title used to be. You see, about a week earlier, his employer, FTX, entered a firestorm that placed Zane's job in limbo. News reports broke that FTX's sister company, Alameda Research, was insolvent.

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Rumors began to swirl that the problem spread to FTX as well. The head of FTX, who is also the majority owner of Alameda, a guy named Sam Bankman-Fried, quickly tried assuring the public that the rumors of FTX's insolvency were false.

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Over the weekend, speculation rose about the solvency of FTX.

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This came after a CoinDesk report.

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So, FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried took to Twitter this morning to clear something up.

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He said that a competitor is trying to attack the company with rumors.

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He then says in the same tweet, FTX is fine, assets are fine.

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Zane Tackett was out of the country when the rumors about his employer started heating up.

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I was in Portugal up until midday Monday, I guess, European time, and then flew out.

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He said, by the time he landed in Miami, his FTX boss, Sam Bankman-Fried, went completely quiet on the growing controversy.

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Like, the silence just became too much, and then I was like, all right, there's got to.

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be something deeper here.

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But even with the glaring red flags, Zane believed his boss' assessment of the company's financial situation. Sam Bankman-Fried was a pillar of the crypto world. In any ways, Alameda Research and FTX were two completely different companies. The insolvency of Alameda should have had nothing to do with FTX. At least, that's what Zane made himself believe to cope with the situation.

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You know, I was trying to think, like, all right, there's no way it's that bad. Like, I feel like they're just really afraid of, you know, trying to tarnish this, like, you know, what's a pretty sterling reputation.

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But rumors and all, Zane still believed in FTX. So much so, that the day after he got back from Portugal, he says he deposited a large portion of his personal wealth into the FTX cryptocurrency exchange.

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On Tuesday, I deposited like $750K into FTX. I was like, there's no way that this is going to be a death kneel, or, you know, something that will bring us down.

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But then, the unthinkable happened.

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Breaking news. It appears that FTX has stopped withdrawals for the past, basically, four hours.

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Zane Tackett's $750K was now locked up in the FTX crypto exchange. He could see the balance of his account, but couldn't withdraw the funds. With things beginning to unravel at FTX, Zane turned to his boss, Sam Bankman-Fried.

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When I found out what was going on, on Tuesday, I informed Sam and the executives that, you know, I'd be there to help the clients kind of weather the storm and, you know, get through this and try to help them as much as possible. But after that, I wouldn't be able to continue on.

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However, a day later, he tried logging into his account on Slack, the company's communication platform.

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All of a sudden, I went to go into Slack and it was gone.

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Something big was happening. As Zane sat there exhausted on that Friday night livestream, explaining his week-long ordeal, things got even worse. A host of the Up Only podcast delivered the bad news.

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So, chat's kind of going wild. Apparently, FTX hot wallets are currently being drained.

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Apparently, FTX customer accounts were being drained of all of their funds. Realization of the news swept over Zane. His face went blank as further confirmation came in.

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So, Zach has just tweeted that multiple former FTX employees confirmed to me they do not recognize the transfers for $383 million. And one guy that previously worked at FTX has also said that to me on Telegram. And some people saying that if they log into FTX, they have a balance of zero now.

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A stunned Zane became distracted, typing away at his keyboard. A few seconds later, he delivered the news.

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My account's zeroed.

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He disappeared from the screen as more bad news arrived.

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Yeah, so it looks like all FTX.

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com balances are zeroed from everybody. that's talking to me about it.

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Then Zane re-entered the livestream, almost laughing through the agony.

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I have no idea what's going on with the movement of funds. I just went downstairs and asked our other employees. They had no idea. One of them looked on social media and said that she was seeing a rumor of funds being stolen. What a f***ing week.

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Zane Tackett was clearly distraught. If he was right, his $750,000 was now gone. He appeared like he needed a moment to process what just happened. The up-only hosts could obviously read the situation and let Zane off the hook.

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Alright. Ledger, do you want to stay on for a little bit and let Zane go?

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Alright, thanks guys. Thanks, dude. Thanks for being with us. Have you ever experienced something anywhere near this insane in crypto?

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Everyone watching the situation had one question. What just happened?

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I mean, imagine putting $750,000 into a bank account on Tuesday, and by Friday, the account balance reading zero. That's what happened to many FTX customers. And even with the year's chaos in crypto, it was still a stunning turn of events.

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FTX was thought to be the rock of Gibraltar of the entire cryptocurrency industry. It was even bailing out firms that were faltering. Just a few weeks earlier, its young founder and CEO, Sam Bankman-Fried, was thought to have the Midas touch.

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In just the past five years, Sam Bankman-Fried went from buying his first bitcoin to becoming a multibillionaire. The FTX founder is now worth an estimated $11 billion.

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In the short time since FTX's founding in mid-2019, the company grew to become the second largest cryptocurrency exchange in the world, valued at $32 billion. It was this meteoric rise that grabbed the attention of the financial news desk, and they could not get enough of the young crypto tycoon.

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And joining me now is Sam Bankman-Fried, one of America's youngest billionaires.

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They call him the J.

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P. Morgan of crypto. The Michael Jordan of crypto.

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Just thrilled to have him here and get his perspective.

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How did you do this so quickly? Your company is two years old, and you're doing something like $400 billion worth of volume per month, which is 25 times what you did a year ago.

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CNBC, Bloomberg, Forbes, Fortune, and the New York Times all gushed over the bushy-haired cryptocurrency wonderkind. He was so popular that he'd become known simply by his initials, SBF. As late as September 2022, SBF was a front-page staple throughout corporate media. But a little over a month later, Zayn Takit's nightmare began to surface.

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News just came out that FTX is actually insolvent,

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and dirty bubble media actually went ahead and did a lot of digging.

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Unfortunately, I have some bad news to report. Currently, a bank run is happening on FTX. Its reserves, specifically, Ethereum, is being drained off by the hundreds of millions right now. Shocking crypto news. Even I'm in disbelief.

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According to the block and on-chain data, FTX appears to have stopped processing withdrawals.

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In just a matter of days, SBF's cryptocurrency empire came crashing down.

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FTX, the big exchange, has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

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Our company, the second largest crypto exchange in the world, has become insolvent and filed for bankruptcy in the space of a week.

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The company's controversial chief executive, Sam Bankman-Fried, resigning as CEO. The embattled cryptocurrency exchange collapsing at stunning speed. Customers frantically trying to access their accounts, as Reuters reports, at least a billion dollars of client funds may be missing. Could crypto turn out to be the scam of this century?

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At its core, actually, I think the FTX scandal is an example of something that we actually learned from a famous short seller in Australia named John Hempton. One of his expressions that sort of sticks in our brain is, be wary of fast-growing financial services companies.

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Because ultimately, anybody could grow a financial services company quickly if you just give away a lot of stuff.

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That's a representative from Doomberg, an anonymous team of former science and financial executives. Doomberg is one of the most widely read financial newsletters on the subscription-based platform Substack.

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Also, be wary of manias, you know, would be another one, separate from Hempton's famous quote. And here it seems as though Sam Bankman-Fried has latched himself onto a mania in order to steal.

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To truly appreciate the impact of this historic moment in crypto, we have to grasp how Sam Bankman-Fried came into power. Understanding his rise and eventual fall inadvertently illuminates where cryptocurrency is going and the profound threat to your freedom that's on the horizon.

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Welcome back to Red Pilled America.

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On March 6, 1992, Sam Bankman-Fried was born on the campus of Stanford University.

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I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area on a Stanford campus.

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That's Sam Bankman-Fried.

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And had a, you know, really nice, sort of quiet, suburban upbringing, so to speak.

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But his wasn't your typical suburban experience. He was born to Jewish parents, Joseph Bankman and Barbara Fried. Both were professors at Stanford Law School. From his first breath, Sam was surrounded by the elite of the academic elite.

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As a boy, he was one of those socially awkward kids that preferred hanging out with the adults over his peers.

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Twelve-year-old, Sam was, I think, in some sense, kind of boring. Maybe bored and boring, sort of a little bit of both. I wasn't, sort of, like, really into kid things. But you're also in a position where you're not really able to hang out with the grown-ups, so to speak. It was a weird in-between state for me and felt, you know, uncomfortable.

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But outside of that, I think it was a really good upbringing. Nothing bad happened, basically. And, you know, really got along with my family well.

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If he had any hardship, according to his mom, it was extreme boredom. By all measures, Sam was a smart kid. He attended Crystal Springs Upland School, an uber-prestigious 6th through 12th grade private institution. Schoolwork was easy to him. So easy that he hated class.

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At one point, when he was in 7th or 8th grade, his mother says she found him crying. When she asked what was wrong, she said he responded, Mom, I'm so bored, I'm gonna die. So, to give their son a challenge, his parents put him in some advanced math classes, then enrolled him in Canada-USA Math Camp, an immersive summer program for gifted math students. There, he was introduced to puzzle hunts, a type of scavenger hunt where players have to solve progressively challenging riddles. Inspired by this experience, he'd later design and organize puzzle hunt competitions between his campus and other local high schools.

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In parallel, as the family narrative goes, Sam began showing an interest in a passion of his parents, a passion for an ethical philosophy called utilitarianism.

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Utilitarianism is a philosophy that prioritizes actions that maximize the well-being of the collective instead of the individual. As a board member of the Ethics Center at Stanford, Sam's mother brought this philosophy into her classroom.

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In a controversial paper in the Boston Review, she'd later argue, quote, The philosophy of personal responsibility has ruined criminal justice and economic policy. It's time to move past blame, end quote. Apparently, in her ethical framework, blame for wrongdoing should no longer take the driver's seat. This line of thinking began to infect young Sam's mind. When he was about 14, his mother claimed that she caught him buried in a utilitarianism book.

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Sam would later recall his parents' influence in this area.

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My parents were really concerned with, you know, what impact they were having on the world, and what they could do there. They've tried to do a lot of things with their life, which has been really kind of inspiring to watch.

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During this time, Sam's mom claimed she was only slowly creeping towards this philosophy, while her husband and son were becoming take-no-prisoners, utilitarians. In other words, young Sam Bankman-Freed was apparently adopting a philosophy of maximizing the collective good at all costs.

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When it came time to select colleges, Sam was still undecided on which career path he wanted to take.

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And I sort of thought, you know, maybe I was going to do math or physics, or, I don't know, it wasn't, the plans were sort of very non-specific. You know, sort of like, select whichever subject I was doing best at in school, and like, that's what I'm going to do, you know?

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He may have been wishy-washy on his course of study, but as far as schools went, he narrowed them down to one of two prestigious colleges, either MIT or Caltech. In 2010,, he basically flipped a coin to decide between the two, and it came up MIT. Again, Doomberg.

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He is clearly a very intelligent person. He is the son of two law professors at Stanford University and earned his way into the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for his undergrad degree. And MIT, which is sort of considered among the top five universities in the world, it's not a school that you can get into via sort of legacy or to buy your way in. It's a merit-based, largely very much a merit-based admissions system.

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At MIT, Sam lived at Epsilon Theta, a co-ed student house. It was basically a nerd's version of a fraternity, where late-night alcohol-drenched parties were replaced with geeky games like Mind Puzzles, Chess, and League of Legends, a multiplayer online battle video game. At Epsilon Theta, Sam proved to be a charismatic alpha nerd, and he'd eventually become president of the house. In his coursework, he majored in physics with a minor in mathematics.

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And so I went to MIT and quickly learned there. I wasn't going to be a physicist. I mean, like. the sort of least favorite things that I'd done were try and do physics research. But that doesn't sort of answer the question of what I will do.

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And spent some time in college trying to think about what I could do. that would sort of have the most impact.

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By sophomore year, he'd stumble into what would become the cornerstone of his personal brand.

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My colleagues and I have developed a philosophy and research program that we call effective altruism. It uses evidence and careful reasoning to try to answer this question. How can we do the most good?

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That's Scottish philosopher, Will MacAskill, thought to be one of the founders of the effective altruism movement.

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So effective. altruism is about using your time and money as effectively as possible to make the world a better place. It's about going with high-quality evidence, careful reasoning, and in-depth research to make good decisions, rather than merely going with kind of what's emotional or what's sexy at the time.

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Sam Bankman-Freed caught one of Will MacAskill's online presentations on effective altruism, and it deeply resonated with him, not only because it aligned with his parents' utilitarianism, but because it could also help him decide on a career path.

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If you want to use your life to make the world a better place, what career should you pursue? When I was a student, I was concerned by some of the big problems in the world, global poverty, climate change, gender inequality. So I wanted to know the answer to that question. I tried asking friends and family what I should do. I tried going to the university career service.

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I tried going online in order to get advice from websites. And one piece of advice that I just got over and over again was, want to make a difference? Work for the charity. But I never really found a rationale for that. It just seemed to people like that was the obvious advice.

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Will MacAskill came to a conclusion that to do the most good sometimes meant entering a career field with the highest earning potential.

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We've come up with a framework that enables young people to help them make decisions about what career they should pursue if they want to really make a difference. And this research has led to some fairly big changes in my life. I've changed the focus of my research quite considerably. I've altered what I do in my spare time, dedicating that to social entrepreneurship. And I've changed what I do with my money, committing to donate at least 50% of what I earn over the course of my life.

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If you listen to Sam Bankman-Fried, the philosophy was like a religious awakening for him. According to his mother, the philosophy was what Sam had been thinking about since his teen years, and now he had a name for it, effective altruism. Sam attended a talk by Will MacAskill, and it was around this time that his career path came into focus. As a physics major, an academic life is often the most logical path. But Sam despised schoolwork.

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It bored him. And the prospective salary for that line of work was paltry compared to other fields. Sam wanted a career path that would accumulate capital at a much higher pace than a professor ever could. He began adopting the effective altruism mantra. He'd earn to give.

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And he was quickly developing the viewpoint that it would be more effective to live up to that mantra with a career on Wall Street. Sam would eventually arrange a lunch with effective altruism founder, Will MacAskill. And it was at that lunch that Will reportedly nudged Sam away from a career in academia.

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Ultimately met a group of people who were thinking about similar things to the effective altruism community. Sometime around my junior year, sophomore year, I guess, of college, and they sort of said, like, suggested, like, you know, hey, if this is what you're thinking, like, you know, obviously there are a lot of things you can do, but one thing you should ask is, like, if there's some charity you think is cool, would they rather have, you know, you working for them or you donating money to them?

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According to Sam, he thought he could do more good by leveraging his math skills.

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And ended up at, I, thinking about how I could donate, you know, as much as I could, and that sort of led me to Quant Finance.

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So he began asking around to people he knew working on Wall Street.

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And I had some friends who had interned at Jane Street, said good things about it.

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Jane Street Capital is an influential global trading firm.

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And so I just sort of decided, I don't know, let's, you know, try interviewing. See how it is, see if it seems like a good fit. And sort of really like the interview, and now, all of a sudden, this seems like really high value. Like, it seems like I could potentially donate a lot of money this way, and that seems great.

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So after MIT, he began working at Jane Street Capital in 2014.

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. Sam traded companies' stocks on stock exchanges.

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So I was a trader at Jane Street Capital for about three years in New York, which is a blast. And I just really had fun there. It was really, really nice. And then, you know, sort of after three years or so, I had a, you know, sort of a fork in the path of like, am I going to sort of do this for the rest of my life, or am I going to try and do other stuff? And it was a tough call.

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I really liked it, but sort of felt like I wanted to explore. I wanted to try other things. I want to see what, you know, that maybe there is a huge upside to doing other things too.

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And he couldn't have picked a better time to get antsy. You see, in 2017, all eyes were on the startling rise of the cryptocurrency industry.

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Do you own any Bitcoin or Ethereum? The recent spike in the prices of the cryptocurrencies has gotten everyone, from your average Joe to hedge fund managers, very interested in getting a piece of the action. Something about the psychology of the market and the way investors are approaching Bitcoin, significantly changed in the past couple months. Bitcoin, the original cryptocurrency, was worth $1,000 per Bitcoin at the beginning of this year, but it is now priced at about $2,600.. Listen, Bitcoin traded more than Apple did last week.

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And a newer cryptocurrency called Ethereum has seen even crazier growth.

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It's appreciated in value more than 4,000% this year alone.

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A decade from now, are we going to look at this and think, oh my, this is now worth $10,000 to Bitcoin.

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or $20,000 to Bitcoin? The so-called cryptocurrency is soaring in value. At the start of the year, one Bitcoin was worth about $1,000.. As of today, they are changing hands for more than $13,300.. Some of these exchanges are trading above $15,000..

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As much of a fan of Bitcoin as I am, this is a bit of a speculative frenzy. You know, look at the explosive move. Bitcoin is up over tenfold this year. A lot of other cryptocurrencies are up even more than that. People think that Bitcoin is digital gold, which it's not.

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Shortly after Sam Bankman-Fried left Jane Street Capital, he noticed the action happening in the cryptocurrency space.

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And so, you know, I left, and shortly thereafter, I mean, sort of checked out crypto markets, which this is late 2017.

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. And I mean, markets were completely insane then.

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That's when he noticed an opportunity.

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Bitcoins in Asian markets like Japan, were selling for much higher prices than in the United States.

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So, late 2017, early 2018, Japanese Bitcoins were just trading like 5 to 15% higher than American Bitcoins.

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So, theoretically, he could buy Bitcoin in America and sell it in Japan for a profit. It's a standard trading technique known as arbitrage.

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And the arbitrages were just gigantic, and that's sort of my background.

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Sam did arbitrage trading at Jane Street Capital. An idea sparked. Instead of trading stocks on a stock exchange, why not trade cryptocurrency on a cryptocurrency exchange?

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There's a billion dollars a day trading on each side. So, if you could do it, it sort of seemed like maybe you could do it big, which is pretty exciting, because it's also like 10% a day is a lot. And so, that's sort of how I ended up in crypto.

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In late 2017, Sam set up a cryptocurrency trading company. He'd eventually call it Alameda Research. And how he came up with the name hints at a behavior that would eventually get him into a lot of trouble.

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Since the start of the war in Israel on October 7th, we have seen death and destruction in the Holy Land. For more than 40 years, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has been on the ground in Israel. And within hours of the war starting, and every day since, they've been feeding the hungry and protecting the vulnerable. The attacks continue in the north and the south in Israel. But there are resilient survivors who bravely share their stories.

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in a series, the fellowship calls Faces of Iron. Survivors like Shuki. On October 7th, Shuki saved himself and eight others. When Hamas invaded, Shuki and eight others ran to a bomb shelter. All that stood between life and death was the door of the bomb shelter.

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Shuki held the door closed for nearly six hours, never letting go of the handle. Christians like you support Israel through the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. It's this support that helps these survivors remain steadfast and strong. To hear more stories like this one and show your support for Israel, visit supportifcj.org. That's supportifcj.org.

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I'm Jacob Goldstein. I used to host a show called Planet Money. Now I'm starting a new show. It's called What's Your Problem? Every week on What's Your Problem?

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Entrepreneurs and engineers describe the future they're going to build. once they solve a few problems. How do you build a drone delivery business from scratch? Our customers, they want us to do this unbelievably reliably, in the storms, no matter what. Hundreds of times a day.

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How do you turn a wild dream about a new kind of biology into a $10 billion company? We didn't have a particular technology.

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We didn't have a way of making money.

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It was a great way to start a company. I highly recommend it.

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How do you sell millions of dollars worth of dog ramps for wiener dogs in the middle of a pandemic? We're working with 400 influencers, and the majority of them are actually not a person,

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but it's actually a dog.

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I can tell you right now, the dog ramp guy has some very interesting problems. Listen to What's Your Problem? on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey fam, I'm Simone Boyce. I'm Danielle Robay.

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And we're the hosts of The Bright Side, the daily podcast from Hello Sunshine.

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that's guaranteed to light up your day.

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Every weekday, we bring you conversations with the culture makers who inspire us. Like our recent episode with comedians,

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writers, and partners in life, Tig Notaro and Stephanie Allen.

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I felt like I discovered my sexuality late. I now look back and go, God, I wasn't that old. And I think people carry a lot of shame and guilt for not having figured things out, and then they feel like it's too late to start or try or change things. And we both, I think, were really drawn to just that idea of going, you know what? You can do whatever you want, whenever, and your life will be forever greater for having done it.

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Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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My name is Michael Wolff, and I'm the host of Fire and Fury, the podcast. Not too long ago, I saw Donald Trump, and he shouted, hey, Michael, I made you rich. And the truth is, my three books about Trump, they have sold a lot of copies. It all started eight years ago. I found myself in Donald Trump's Beverly Hills home sharing Häagen-Dazs ice cream with him.

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I asked him, why was he running for president? And he answered, without missing a beat, because I want to be the most famous man in the world. Since then, I've become a go-to person when Trump and those around him want to talk. And now, every week, I'm going to share those insider stories with you. Listen to Fire and Fury, the podcast, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Welcome back to Red Pilled America. So, in late 2017, Sam Bankman-Fried wanted to ride the crypto wave sweeping the globe. He decided on tapping his Wall Street experience by setting up a cryptocurrency trading firm. But the industry had a shady reputation within the banking community, making it hard for a crypto business to open a banking account. So, Sam chose to conceal the nature of his business.

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He was setting up the company in the Alameda area of Northern California, a region near Berkeley, so Alameda could be part of his company name. He'd later explain how he decided on the full branding.

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Really, where the name come from, we're like, all right, we want a bank account. And if we're a Bitcoin arbitrage trading shop founded by a bunch of 20-year-olds, if that's the name of our company, we're not getting our bank account. The compliance department's going to take one look at that and just like, that's it. We knew banks were going to shut us down. There were not yet US banks that were happy with crypto.

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Sam ultimately wanted to avoid scrutiny.

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Crypto companies were thought to be a money laundering outfit.

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Sam wanted to come up with a name that didn't set off any red flags amongst the bankers. So, he began to think.

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What name is never going to give us grief? You know, what name is not going to stop us from being able to do anything like research? No one doesn't like research. You know, no one's like, I don't know, research, I don't know if we can deal with that. That's where it came from.

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It was a completely inoffensive name.

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Sam was concealing the true nature of his business, a trait he'd seem to continue over the coming years.

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To stop Alameda Research, he turned to his social circle.

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I mean, it was like people I knew from high school, from college, from Effective Altruism. We had like 50 interns coming in and out over the first few months. I mean, it was just like hordes of people.

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One of those people was a 24-year-old woman named Caroline Ellison. Caroline was a co-worker of Sam's at Jane Street Capital. She was, well, let's just say she looked homely. She was white, had curly dark hair that reached down to her chest, and she wore big tortoise-framed glasses. If Sam embodied the male alpha nerd, Caroline was his female counterpart.

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She'd rise to become a pivotal player in this whole crypto affair, but we'll get to that later. Sam would also bring on a family member.

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After we close today,

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I'm going to visit one of my sons.

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who has a startup in Berkeley.

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That's Sam's father, Joe Bankman. At the time, in early 2018,, Joe was a respected professor at Stanford Law School. He began assisting his son where he could.

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It was clear at the start that on things like law,

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I mean, the company didn't have any lawyers,

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so I think my utility there was pretty obvious.

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No one in the company had any experience in crypto, including Sam.

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They come from basically software developers from Google and Facebook, and then quantitative traders from Wall Street who had never touched crypto before, and then some friends of mine on the operational side as well, but none of us had traded crypto before this.

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They were learning. as they went. Sam began exploiting the Bitcoin price differences between Asia and America, at some points shifting as much as $25 million a day. But it wasn't long before the price differences started to shrink, shrinking his profits along with it. Buying Bitcoin low and selling high was no longer the cash cow it once was.

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Sam would need to do something different if he wanted to make it big in the crypto world, and that something different would be Crypto Exchange FTX. Again, Doomberg.

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He went to work on Wall Street.

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and then was early in the crypto trading space, you know, post-2017, 2018, and the rebirth of Bitcoin after the 2017 collapse, he seems to have ridden that wave, and it was a wild, wild west.

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No regulation whatsoever,

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and fortunes made and lost overnight, and anytime. you have such a mania, a gold rush, a crypto gold rush. in this case, you have opportunities to commit fraud.

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The type of fraud that would put the entire cryptocurrency industry in jeopardy of a complete collapse.

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Coming up on Red Pilled America.

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Extortion was involved, counterfeiting, coins was involved. It was unbelievable what they were doing, and we came to realize that they created a fake market on their site.

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You're just like, well, I'm in the Ponzi business, at it. And it's pretty good.

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And did any of this require.

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any sort of economic case? It's just like, other people put money in the box, and so I'm going to too, and then it's more valuable, so I'm going to put more money in. And at no point in the cycle did it seem to describe any sort of economic purpose.

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Steph Curry is now a brand ambassador,

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has a share in Your Exchange FTX.

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Tom Brady is also a brand ambassador.

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So that apartment in the Bahamas.

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that Sam Bankman freed was very vocal about living in with all of his roommates.

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Reports are questioning what the dynamics were between the roommates. Here's the thing. If you're running any kind of currency operation, and you're involved in a polyamorous relationship with seven other people, I've got to think you're whack. Ten. Ten total.

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What do they do? They just were polyamorous, living in a house together?

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They all lived together in the same place, in the Bahamas. And they all just banged each other?

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I mean, I didn't know just how bad it was. There's just so much fraud in this space. And the prices of all these things are determined almost exclusively by entities like FTX.

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Red Pilled America is an iHeartRadio original podcast. It's owned and produced by Patrick Karelchi and me, Adriana Cortez, of Informed Ventures. Now you can get ad-free access to our entire archive of episodes by becoming a backstage subscriber. To subscribe, visit redpilledamerica.com and click join in the top menu. That's redpilledamerica.com and click join in the top menu.

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Thanks for listening.

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I'm Jacob Goldstein. I used to host Planet Money. Now I'm starting a new show. It's called What's Your Problem? Every week on What's Your Problem, entrepreneurs and engineers describe the future they're going to build.

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once they solve a few problems. I'm talking to people trying to figure out how to do things that no one on the planet knows how to do. From creating a drone delivery business to building a car that can truly drive itself. Listen to What's Your Problem on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Michael Wolff.

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Each week on Fire and Fury, the podcast, I take you deeper into the mind of Donald Trump and his campaign than any other journalist ever goes. I've written three books on Trump, but for some reason, the people around him, they keep on talking to me. To find out what they tell me, listen to Fire and Fury, the podcast, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I'm Ben Nadifafri, host of the history show, The Last Archive, and I want to tell you about a new series we're running in our feed. It's called The Deadline. Six essays written and read by Jill Lepore, the New Yorker writer, American historian, and founding host of our show. These are incredible essays on everything from the history of cryogenics to the Silicon Valley gospel of disruption. And at the end of each essay, I interview Jill about her craft as a writer.

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You can listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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