Bonus: JD Vance with Megyn Kelly, on Democrats' Anti-Family Policies and Media Lies

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Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show. As the Democratic Party ousts President Joe Biden and elevates Vice President Kamala Harris to the top of its ticket, without a single vote having been cast for her in that role, in just a matter of hours, the media suddenly turning all of its focus seemingly to Senator J.D. Vance, Trump's running mate. Donald Trump's number two, coming under intense criticism for comments he made three years ago about, quote, childless cat ladies, because this is what Americans who can't pay their mortgages care about.

Senator Vance is here to respond to this controversy. But first, we want to start by walking you through how it all began. Going back now to July 2021, Mr. Vance had just launched his campaign for senator in the great state of Ohio, and he gave a speech to a conservative organization called the Intercollegiate Studies Institute. This was a speech essentially about declining birth rates, and they're bad, by the way, in the United States.

They're at a 17-year low, and they continue to go in the wrong direction, and what it means for the future of this country. Mr. Vance talked about how he wanted to see the Republican Party as a pro-family party. He discussed the importance of children and brought up the fact that many top Democratic leaders don't have any kids, questioning what kind of a message the party as a whole is sending to young Americans. Take a listen.

I want to take aim at the left, specifically.

Think all these people. They're different. They come from different walks of life, different parts of the country. What is the one thing that unites every single one of them? Not a single one of them has any children.

Look, a lot of people are unable to have kids for very complicated and important reasons. There are people, of course, for biological reasons, medical reasons, that can't have children. The target of these remarks is not them. It's important to point that out. It is one thing to recognize that there are people who don't have children.

It's one thing to recognize there are people who don't have children through no fault or choice of their own. But it's something else to build a political movement invested theoretically in the future of this country, when not a single one of them actually has any physical commitment to the future of this country. Kids are the ultimate way that we find healthy people, at least, I think self-meaning in life. We should treat this as a crisis in this country. And we should send the signal to the culture that we are the pro-family.

Vance went on Tucker Carlson's show on Fox to address some of the, And that's when he made the comments about the childless cat. ladies. Watch.

On Wednesday, actress Jennifer Aniston weighed in writing, I truly can't believe this is coming from a potential VP of the United States and urged Senator Vance to think about his own daughter, hoping that she might never need IVF, which she accused Mr. Vance of being against, which, as we pointed out yesterday, is not true. And it did not end there. Watch. How dare you?

You never had a baby. Your wife had a baby. You.

Does that make me?

Like this is a person, him and the former president. They want to control women. Jesus did not have children, right?

J.D., Senator, welcome back to the show. It's great to see you.

This is something, of course, we've recognized for hundreds of years in this country that human civilization has always recognized. But there's a deeper point here, Megan. It's not a criticism of people who don't have children. I explicitly said in my remarks, despite the fact the media has lied about this, that this is not about criticizing people who, for various reasons, didn't have kids. This is about criticizing the Democratic Party for becoming anti-family and anti-child.

We have to ask ourselves, Megan, why do we have masking of toddlers years after the pandemic ended? Why do we have the Harris campaign coming out this very morning, Megan, and saying that we should not have the child tax credit, which lowers tax rates for parents of young children? It's because they have become anti-family and anti-kid. And I'm proud to stand up for parents. And I hope that parents out there recognize that I'm a guy who wants to fight for you.

I want to fight for your interests. I want to fight for your stake in the country. And that is what this is fundamentally about. The Democrats. in the past five, 10 years, Megan, they have become anti-family.

It's built into their policy. It's built into the way they talk about parents and children. And it's time that we call that out. I don't think we should back down from it, Megan. I think we should be honest about the problem.

Here's what's crazy.

Again, this was a month ago. They write for progressives, waiting to have children has become a kind of ethical imperative. They go on to say the, uh, the success narratives of modern liberal life, leave little room for having a family. They say, this is not just a recipe for unhappiness. It also reflects a deep confusion.

and they go on to write as follows. The question of children ultimately transcends politics. in deciding whether to have them. We confront a philosophical challenge is life. However, imperfect and however challenging, however, fraught with political disagreement and disaster worth living.

So this is not, and I could go on. I mean, the New Yorker piece had the similar point. We've seen it from AOC. We've seen it from the hardcore environmentalists on the left in particular, urging people not to have children because they don't see a future for the country.

Yeah, Megan. And I think it's profoundly weird and dangerous rhetoric, because, you know, I think most parents would say professional achievements, whether you're a mom or dad, all that stuff eventually fades away. The thing that you're most proud of is having kids. that what your kids do, the relationship that you have with your family. That is what I think brings the most meaning to life is family, not all these weird little accomplishments and degrees and everything else, right?

It's family that really brings the most meaning to our lives. And, and Megan, this, this comment that I made was actually motivated in part by conversation I had with my wife, where, you know, she at the time had two babies. We hadn't yet had a third. And she was talking about how she felt this incredible professional pressure to not have kids, because it's setback or professional advancement. And what a weird society that we've set up, where moms who want to work, the thought that a lot of them are having is I can't have more babies because it's going to be bad for my career.

How about we make the workplace more accommodating to working moms and working dads so that we can promote a real culture of life. You started your monologue, Megan, talking about how we have the lowest birth rate and basically in our history in this country, what our young moms and dads are telling us is they don't feel comfortable in this society, bringing new life into the world. That is a catastrophic problem. And it's interesting. when I raise this issue about, we don't have enough babies, a lot of liberals and a lot of people on the left will say, well, we can just replace American children with, with immigrants.

Well, look, there's nothing against immigrants. Obviously, I'm married to the daughter of immigrants, but if your society is not having enough children to replace itself, that is a profoundly dangerous and destabilizing thing. You look across history, that's a real problem. So I just think that we have to say, Megan, having kids is good. Being a parent changes your perspective on the world.

That is not a bad thing to stand up for parents. In fact, it's the best thing. If our politics isn't standing up for parents, then.

This is from June. This is a month ago. Uh, and it ends with the following. He talks about how this person, Jay, talks about how the messaging from leftists around children is all about their economic value, how much they're going to cost, what kind of a burden they're going to be as opposed to the goodness they bring into the world in our lives.

And the talk about them as a universal and immutable good. So that's exactly what you did in those remarks, JD. And I understood it completely. And I think even the left, if they're honest, understands that piece of it. Here's where I think it gets controversial and where, you know, your attacks are coming in from.

Sure. It was this piece where you then talked about the relative value of voting of a perfect, a person's voting rights, a parent versus somebody who isn't. here's the, that piece of the original remarks and stuff for the Democrats are talking about giving.

When you go to the polls in this country, as a parent, you should have more power. You should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic Republic than people who don't have kids. Let's face the consequences and the reality, and all the usual suspects will criticize me about this in the coming days. Well, doesn't this mean that non-parents don't have as much of a voice as parents? Doesn't this mean that parents get a bigger say in how our democracy functions?

Yes, absolutely.

So do you stand by that? Well, Megan, look, I'm obviously doing a thought experiment there, where Democrats have talked about giving children the right to vote. And I'm saying, well, if we're going to give children the right to vote, shouldn't we give parents the say over how that vote, you know, in so many other areas of life, we say that parents determine what's best for their children. If we're going to give kids the right to vote, it might as well be true in that scenario too. So I think, again, the point that I'm trying to make here, Megan, is that having kids is a profoundly life-altering thing.

It's a fundamentally good thing. And the Democratic party has become very anti-child in their messaging and in their public policy. That is what I want to change. And that is what I think the Republican party stands for. We're the party of parents, we're the party of kids, and we want to fight for parents and children to have good lives.

I have to say, Megan, just one of the things that's been profoundly dishonest about the media, and of course they're dishonest, they always do this, but they've taken this incredibly out of context. They say that I'm opposed to IVF or that I'm criticizing people who have fertility problems. Megan, I said explicitly in my remarks that I wasn't talking about people who couldn't have children. I was talking about people who have turned anti-child into the ethic of their entire party. That's a fundamentally different thing.

And it's obvious that the Democrats don't want to own up to the fact that their party has become very anti-family. You have Hollywood celebrities saying, oh, well, J.D. Vance, what if your daughter suffered fertility problems? Well, first of all, that's disgusting, because my daughter is two years old. And, second of all, if she had fertility problems, as I said in that speech, I would try everything I could to try to help her, because I believe families and babies are a good thing.

That's the whole point, is, if you believe families and babies are a good thing, you should be trying to promote life. You should try to promote the fact that we want to have a good family policy in this country. That is what's so profoundly wrong about where the Democrats have gone. And I think we have to fight back against this, Megan. I think a lot of people, the media, has been attacking me, and this is how it goes.

We cannot give up an inch on this. We're the pro-family party. I think I.

And you just go back to Kamala Harris, Megan, this is a person, of course, who has tried to say that members of the Knights of Columbus should not serve in public office. This is a person who's tried to say that Catholic hospitals and Christian Harris hospitals should have to do IVF in the way the Democrats want them to do it. I'm talking about religious liberty here. I think we have to protect the rights of Christian hospitals to operate the way that they want to operate. But of course, that's totally consistent with promoting fertility treatments for parents who need it.

And I believe in this stuff again, because I believe babies are a profound moral good. I think it transforms society. I've seen friends of mine become totally different people when they became fathers. I know my wife would say the same thing about her friends who became mothers. This is a good thing.

And I hate that our politics has become so profoundly anti-child. I want to change that, Megan. I'm going to keep on fighting on this.

And, you know, Jennifer Aniston was another like taking issue, as I mentioned in the intro, as if your comments were about her personally, but I I'll say something to Jennifer Aniston. You know what? I don't know what your child situation is, but you should read this piece in the New York times. You should read this piece that says as follows liberal conventional wisdom encourages people to spend their twenties on journeys of personal and professional self discovery and self-fulfillment. Children are treated as a bonus round, something to get to only after completing a long list of achievements, getting a degree, forging a satisfying and well established career, buying a house, cultivating the ideal romantic partnership, and making the point that this is an empty life, that without the ultimate goal of children, you are not, they write as follows.

You are. having children remains the most basic and accessible way for most of us to affirm the value of our lives and that of others. And if you realize that too late, you might be feeling bitter. You might find yourself in a situation where you have no choice, but IVF, because your most fruitful childbearing years have passed you. It's a choice.

Every woman has to make. It's not anybody else's fault. If you choose to pursue career and find yourself in that situation, as frankly I did, but I got lucky and IVF worked for me. Um, okay. So in any, I want to go back because Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly are taking aim at you, saying as follows.

Gabby Giffords, of course, um, was, was shot in a terrible mass shooting incident in which she was the target several years ago. And she's married to Mark Kelly, former astronaut, now Senator. Uh, she writes. vice-president Kamala Harris is a proud mom of two remarkable stepchildren. And so am I, captain.

Mark. Kelly and I were trying to have a baby through IVF before I was shot. And that dream was stolen from us. to suggest we are somehow lesser is disgraceful.

The point is that her party has pursued a set of policies that are profoundly anti-child. These people want to conflate the personal situation here with the fact that I'm making an argument that our entire society has become skeptical and even hateful towards the idea of having kids. I mean, you have young women and young men who say we don't want to have children because of climate change. We don't want to have children, of course, because housing prices are too expensive. And that's a concern I take seriously.

And I think it's a very real problem, but, but people have to remember that when you look back on your life, you talk to people. The thing that they remember most is not their career or their education. It's their family. And I just want us to be a country that's pro family. Of course, what happened to Gabby Giffords was terrible.

I wish her the best. Of course, Kamala Harris has a great family. I wish them all the best, but why are they pursuing a set of policies that make having families harder? Why are they wanting to mask toddlers years into the pandemic? Why are they saying that we should get rid of the child tax credit, which lowers taxes for working families with children?

They are creating an anti-family and anti-child society. And I think it's important for Republicans to fight back against this, Megan, and not take the bait here. We wish the best for these people's families, but they should not use their families as a pretext to pursue all these ridiculous anti-family policies for the rest of Americans.

It's true. It is true that we become anti-family. It is true that the left has become anti-child. It is simply true that it's become way too hard to raise a family. Megan, you know, I myself had a lot of step-parents when I was growing up.

I certainly was enriched by some of those step-parents and, frankly, not enriched by others. My own wife is a working mother. You hear leftists say, JD wants to keep women in the home. My own wife, I've supported her career for my entire life. I'm proud of it, but because I'm proud of it and because I supported my wife, Megan, I've seen the fact that it's hard to be a working mom, that the corporate world is fundamentally hostile to working mothers and working fathers because we have made stupid and bad choices as a country.

I want us to make different choices. And I think it's shameful for the Democrats to hide behind their personal circumstances when they have supported policies that have made it harder on working moms and dads, and they're still this very day doing the exact same thing.

She's such a good mom. She's such a brilliant lawyer, and I'm so proud of her. But yes, her experience has given me some perspective in the way in which it's really hard for working families in this country. And a big part, you know this, Megan, going back years, well before I was in politics, I've always wanted to be the kind of person who supports parents and fulfilling their dreams, and having as many kids as they want to. It's profoundly important for our society.

We have no future without kids. People forget that. If you don't have children, you do not have a future. You cannot import the next generation. You've got to actually have stable, healthy, happy families.

President Trump and I, our entire agenda is about promoting it, promoting schools that are good for kids, bringing down housing costs so that if young families want to start a family, they can afford to. These are the things that are important in our public policy and in our discourse. I'm going to keep on fighting for them, Megan. I'm actually glad the left has attacked me over this, because I think it started an important conversation about how our society became so profoundly anti-family.

So they've given up their, the joy of having a child over these catastrophic forecasts. They're getting from Greta Turnburg. I do want to say this, um, the same people lecturing you right now on this issue, this comment is throwaway comment, or whatever the position are the same people pushing through the revised title nine. That's going to force my daughter. And eventually yours, if we don't change things, to shower with biological boys, when they're in the fourth grade, when they're in the eighth grade, when they're in the 10th grade, compete against biological boys who could hurt them in sports like volleyball, soccer, field hockey, all of which we've seen.

Um, and who are just fine mutilating people like Chloe Cole, who, at 15, had her mistaken head, had her depression, mistaken for gender confusion. And they chopped off her breasts after one meeting. with that. They're fine with that. Senator, fine.

And again, of course, we love stepmoms. We love aunts and uncles. You know, Megan, I was raised by a whole collection of step parents and aunts and uncles and grandparents. We love all of these people, but we want to make life easier for them because of that. And we have to, we have to accept, Megan, that our country has become anti-family.

You see it in our birth rate. You see it in how many young people, to your point, say that they don't want to have children. This is a crazy change. that's happened just in the past 20 or 30 years. I'm not going to stand by while it happens.

I think it's important for us to call it out. We're going to keep on doing that. Even if the left attacks us, especially if the left attacks us, because sometimes it's the truest and most.

Absolutely. Wonderful, beautiful people. And, yes, you have amongst the closest family bonds of anybody I've ever known. Um, which is why it was weird for me, having read your book back in 16, done a in-depth profile of you in 17, to hear, um, governor Bashir of Kentucky, where you were born and spent your early years, attack you as like a fake hillbilly, as, as sort of appropriating their culture. I've got to play a little bit of this because I'd love to get your reaction.

Here. he is. JD Vance is a phony. He he's fake. I mean,

Listen, these are the hardworking coal miners that power, the industrial revolution that helped build the strongest middle-class the world has ever seen, helped us win two world wars. And he called them lazy. acting like he understands our culture. And he's one of us. He's not.

I spent a lot of my early life there. I still have a lot of family that's there, but, most importantly, he is supporting Kamala Harris, who wants to put all of those coal miners out of work. She supports banning fracking. She supports destroying the livelihood that has served as the foundation for a lot of those families. So he wants to come after me and my personal story.

The guy was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. And we all know that if his preferred candidate, Kamala Harris, wins, those people will be in deep poverty. And our country is going to have skyrocketing energy prices. That is not standing up for people. That's lying to people and using these weird personal attacks to conceal the fact that Kamala Harris has the most anti-energy policies we've ever seen in a candidate.

And it's going to be people in Eastern Kentucky and Pennsylvania and Michigan who are going to hurt the most if Kamala Harris gets in there and bans natural gas and bans coal, which is exactly what she said she wants to do.

What's your reaction to the coronation of Kamala Harris as the nominee and the complete whitewashing of her?

And now that they forced him out of the race, they've gone back to dishonesty. They completely ignore that. Kamala Harris is the most liberal senator in the country. She was the most liberal senator when she served. She's the border czar.

at a time of historic open borders. She's encouraged illegal immigration, even though it's brought in a ton of fentanyl that's killed a lot of innocent people. She wants to ban fracking, which would destroy manufacturing and energy in this country. She has, on every single issue, stood for the far left of the Democratic Party instead of working people in this country. This is not a hard case to make.

And as much as the media is going to lie about Kamala Harris, I wouldn't even say she's like a mixture. According to the press, she's like a mixture of MLK and Abraham Lincoln, right? She can do no wrong. The problem is her record is her record, Megan, and she can't run away from it. We cannot let people who are going to destroy the American manufacturing and energy economy take over the reins of power.

We've seen it for three and a half years. It's been bad. It's going to be a lot worse when you get somebody who's even more liberal than Biden in there.

What's your message?

Do you want lower prices on groceries and housing? If you want higher inflation, vote for Kamala Harris. If you want lower prices, vote for Donald Trump. Do you want a wide open border? Then vote for Kamala Harris.

If you want to close down that border and get the drug dealers and the fentanyl out of our communities, vote for president Trump. The contrast is very simple. Kamala Harris has supported all of the most unpopular policies. So yeah, she's going to get a little bit of a honeymoon, Megan, but the truth is the truth. She's extremely liberal.

Her policies have been bad for this country. They'd be even worse if we gave her another four years, we can't do that. And I think Americans are smart enough to recognize that. we just have to prosecute our case, get our voters out there, make sure people are knocking on doors and getting the message out. That is the job of a presidential campaign.

And I feel very good.

Kamala Harris lied, Megan, for an entire presidential term about Joe Biden's mental fitness. She only told the truth when she saw an opportunity to cast him aside, and the entire democratic party saw an opportunity to cast him aside to salvage their political prospects. They saddled America for three and a half years with a president who can't do the job. And they only changed their minds when they recognized there was a political opportunity to get rid of them. That is not public service.

That is political cynicism in a way that's made our country so much weaker, Megan. And we have to call that out. And importantly, if Joe Biden cannot do the job, he's got to step down. And I don't know anybody who's watched Biden over the last few weeks who can say with confidence, this is a guy who could actually serve as president of the United States. The fact that Democrats are still covering for him drives home how shameful their conduct has been.

So, I mean, when you say he can't serve as president, do you, because that, are you saying he should step down? Because, of course, that would elevate her and that might make her tougher to beat. I don't think it would make her tougher to beat,

And, most importantly, because it's only six months, we've just got to remind the American people that the reason why we have a president who can't do the job is because Kamala Harris lied to people. Remember, she said that he was sharp as a tack. just a few months ago. She said that he was totally capable of doing the job and the entire democratic party joined her. We now know they were lying to us.

And the only way to penalize that dishonesty is to vote them out in November. That's what I'm trying to convince every American to do. You know, one of the main concerns, as you.

Usually they did said she had been appointed in the lead position over it. Um, but here's the thing, her approach to the country. And, I assume, to the economy as well, continues to go back to this term of equity. She sees any difference in America's economic position or any position as relating to equity and our problems with it in America. And she explained it herself in this mashup.

that, um, well, forgive me, I don't know who put it together, but we'll, we'll get it. I wanted to play some of her thoughts on it and get your reaction on that issue of equity versus equality, and sat 26.. So there's a big difference between equality and.

Equality suggest often everybody should get the same thing.

Well, that often assumes everybody started out in the same place, as opposed to equity, which is everyone should end up in the same place. And if you then understand, not everybody started out in the same place, you understand some people need more. So we all end up in the same place, right? And being guided by this principle of what we must do in the spirit and in the interest of equity, to put equity firmly at the center of our economic policy. That was by a Twitter account called and.

And we want those people to be rewarded. The other crazy thing about this, Megan, is it justifies some really monstrous discrimination from the Harris administration in the name of so-called equity. Let's just take one example. There was a farm program that the Harris administration put in place to help farmers who are trying to get off, uh, get off to a start in farming. a great program, something I support, but I think it should apply to farmers, whether they're white or black or any other skin color.

The Harris administration explicitly said, if you're a white farmer, don't apply. A court found that that was illegal. And that monstrous level of discrimination based on skin color is what is justified when people start appealing to equity instead of equality under the law. The fundamental American principle is we treat everybody the same. If you work a little bit harder, you should be rewarded for it.

If you don't work as hard, you shouldn't be rewarded for it, but you don't discriminate against people based on their skin color because you have some crazy left-wing notion that you have to put everybody at the exact same place at the end of the day. It sounds kind of okay, kind of weird, depending on your perspective. But if you think about what it justifies in our government, it is taking us back 50 years. discrimination under the, on the basis of law, discrimination on the basis of skin color. It's bad news, Megan.

And I don't think we should go for it. It sounds kind of communist is what it.

And discrimination on the basis of race is illegal. And so that's why it was struck down. You know, it wasn't so long ago that the same people piling on you now, Joy Reid, who says you only care about white moms who want to stay at home, even though you're married to a non-white mom who is not staying at home. Yeah, just crazy talk. They were in love with you until, you know, because they thought you were like a Trump whisperer.

You were the guy who could help them understand the evil man who had ascended to the presidency. But there was an interesting exchange that you had on Joy Reid's show back in the day. This is 16 discussing your book. We pulled it up just for kicks. Here it is.

Katie, thank you so much for being here. I have read so many think pieces about your book and seen so many interviews with you. I have the book right here. Can't wait to dive into it. But your story, first of all, is fascinating.

So the way you went from sort of rust belt country to Yale. One of the things that's really fascinating about your story, J.D., is how similar some of the pathologies you talk about are to the pathologies that normally people assign to African-Americans. Right. That, you know, these ideas about the way you're raised, you're raised mostly by your grandparents, the way that you were able to use opportunity, like the military, to get a college degree. That's very familiar across racial lines.

So why do you suppose there's such a huge gulf and distance ideologically between African-Americans and people from where you like the ones you came from? Well, obviously, a lot of it goes back.

And now that I am on the presidential ticket, they've decided that I'm the worst possible guy in the world. It's it's fascinating to me. It's not surprising, Megan. And it's kind of what I signed up for. Right.

I mean, I want to make people's lives better. My whole idea here, and the reason I accepted President Trump's invitation to join the ticket, is because I think that Americans have been screwed over by a lot of stupid policies. I'd like to change that. And at the cost of changing that, as people like Joy Reid used to say nice things about me, and now they lie about me, whatever. As Harry S.

Truman said, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I think it's an honor to be here. And everything that comes along with it, I just see as a necessary part.

That's a fact. Right. It's not spin. from Mamaw, your your grandma, to your mom, though it was a complicated relationship and remains so, I'm sure, to your very close to and we. and then you move on to Yale Law School.

and there's Amy Chua, our mutual friend, who we love, who encouraged you to write the book and change your life and saw in you this special story in person that ultimately would lead you to enter the national conversation. And then Usha, who you met at Yale Law School, who I know has been responsible in large part for teaching you how to love, how to be in relationship, how to conquer some of those childhood demons. So to me, it's it's a great success story of not just Dady Vance, but of American women, strong American women, from Mamaw, with her guns and her love of the F-bomb, to your own mom, with her addiction problems, though she managed to make her imprint to the beautiful Lindsay, the sisterly love who beat herself up for not protecting you more. ultimately, to this more sophisticated, incredible, dynamic wife, Usha, who's taking you on the next leg of the journey. So how do you see those women in your arc with them, JD?

And I pointed it out, my aunt points it out, she's driving and Mamaw reaches underneath her seat, pulls out a 44 Magnum and taps it on the window. And this guy sort of almost swerves and crashes his motorcycle. That was the end of the motorcycle harassment. And that's just the type of person Mamaw was. She was just this incredibly strong person.

And yeah, Usha is more sophisticated in the ways of the world. But I think what sort of unites them is, one, they're very tough. Two, they're incredibly protective of their family. Three, they're very smart. Mamaw wasn't well-educated, but she was a very brilliant person.

And the only downside, I'll say, of Usha is I asked the convention planners, I said, what about having my wife introduce me before my speech? I'm not making that mistake ever again, Megan, because she did such a good job and I was so proud of her, but I'm not going to have to follow that act ever again. I'm going to make Usha introduce President Trump. She really was. Part of her nature,

She didn't accept the speechwriter's speech. She wrote her own speech, said exactly what she wanted to say. And she did such a good job with it. And I just, you know, as a guy who's very in love with his wife, I was very, very proud of her, but not following that speech again, Megan.

You weren't even in politics. And now, you know, flash forward, eight years later, you get the call from President Trump asking you to be his running mate. How did he put it to you? How did he ask you and how did it feel? Well, the funny thing, Megan, is we're.

Maybe I'll have to give this to somebody else. So my heart kind of stops. Right. And I tense up really, really powerfully. But the funniest thing, Megan, is because we're in the hotel room with my seven-year-old kid, he's talking about his Pokemon cards.

Right. So I'm trying to have this conversation with the president of the United States offering me the vice presidential nod. And in the background, my seven-year-old's talking about Pikachu. I'm like, God, for the love of God, son, for 30 seconds, just let me have this conversation. And it's funny.

The president hears him and says, put him on the phone and then asks my seven-year-old, what do you think about this statement about to put out nominating your, your dad for vice president? And my son listens to it. He says, oh, that sounds nice.

And it's just such a surreal moment. My wife actually got a photo of me on the phone with the president. You know, what an honor. Right. I mean, that's the thing that I try to just remind myself of every single day is I didn't come from anything material.

Right. I did not have the advantages of a lot of people in politics, but I had an incredibly loving family. And I just feel so grateful to have this opportunity. And, as I said to the convention, Megan, the most important thing that I think I can bring to the ticket is to never forget where I came from, to never forget the perspective of people who are struggling. Like, you know, it's people like mammal who really suffer when grocery prices go up as much as they have under the Harris administration.

It's people like mom, who struggled with addiction, but she's been clean for 10 years now, who really, really struggle when you have this poisonous fentanyl coming across our southern border. So I just want to remember where I came from, serve the people who made me who I am. And I think if I do that, I'll be a fine vice president and the country.

Hope you come back. Thanks, Megan. See ya. And thanks to all of you for joining us today. Wow.

Would love your thoughts on our interview and this controversy and this ticket and how you like the chances, even though the race is tightening, uh, you can email me. Megan M E G Y N at Megan Kelly.com. Are you going to go to our website? Megan kelly.com and sign up for our once a week email where we give you all the news in 60 seconds or less. What a fascinating guy.

He's so interesting. It's amazing to me to see the media pile on this guy. Like he's the devil. Does he seem like the devil to you? It's just absurd.

at the same time, when they're running cover for her, literally scrubbing her record. Um, you know, you got webs, websites calling her the most liberal nonpartisan websites, calling her the most liberal Senator in the Senate. Now scrubbing. that just happened to scrub it this week. You know, they say, Oh, that was our policy.

Every, every once in a while, like every year. So we take another, Oh, really just happened to hit this week that you decided to make her not the most liberal Senator. By the time they had labeled her that her senatorial days were over. So what changed in terms of her liberal Senate policies? Nothing.

She ran for president. The borders are nonsense. Do you know how many times the mainstream media called her that and forget that label? just said she was in charge of the border. She'd been placed in charge of the border, in the lead position in charge of the border.

Now it's like what border, what? that was my Orcas. that media has decided to make these comments, some national hurricane. And it's not going to be just this. We talked about this the other day because Kamala Harris is a woman of mixed race.

They are going to make everything about race and gender, right? She's, um, Asian, she's Indian and she's, uh, black. Her dad was Jamaican and her, her mom was, um,

trying to remember exactly, but she's India. Um, in any event, everything is going to make, is going to be about race and gender. And so any small comment that he's ever made, of course, that Trump's ever made is going to be ginned up and turned into a national news story, because this is how they motivate their base. The Republicans are racist. The Republicans are sexist.

We're the only good party. Ignore the fact that we're going to mutilate your 14 year olds, ignore the fact that your daughter's going to face partial paralysis in a volleyball game, because we insist on making biological boys have access to her sports and her private spaces. That's pro woman. Even if you're too stupid to understand it,

the trick is just so old and watching them all rush to condemn, you know, a comment like this, it's just gotten so tiresome. I've seen it so many times now. when it first happens to you and you haven't been out there, maybe some of our young viewers are experiencing this. It might seem genuine. Oh no.

Like, they're really mad. Like this is bad. What he said, once you get to be my old age, you start to see the patterns for what they are. This is a manipulation. Why do you think the potential vice presidential running mates to her are all over?

JD Vance? Do you think it's genuine outrage? Sure. Sure. You know, it's just not to mention the number of things that the left has said about women that they're fine with, you know, that they, what did they, they were calling Casey DeSantis, the Walmart Melania.

They called Melania Trump in the New York times, a mannequin when Trump was running the first time. they've called Casey DeSantis and others. Um, what is it? Uh, the step, uh, not Stafford, the, uh, what's the show? The handmaid's tale, like that?

there was some sort of handmade tail version of life. Not to mention what they said about Amy Coney Barrett, same thing. They were wearing those handmade tells outfit at her, at her confirmation hearings. That's fine. You can do all of that to Republican women.

You can say as Gloria Steinem did about Sarah Palin, a woman, only a man could love. That's no problem. But if you use the phrase childless cat lady, in sort of a flip moment on Fox news, on a cable news show where, you know, that's, that's where you go to be. flip. you're the devil.

All right. We report you decide Megan at Megan Kelly.com. Thanks for listening. Have a great weekend. We'll see you Monday.

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