Neil Oliver: How Banks Took Over Empires, and the Truth About WWII, Brexit, & COVID

Here's the episode. I find it really strange.

Why do you have to be at war with an entire population just because you don't like the regime? It's insane. But moreover,

Last night we were talking at dinner and you expressed some views and I thought to myself, I'm eating with a conspiracy theorist. Well, I think.

The whole thing just fell away into. And once, once you lose all of the things that you had taken for granted and trusted, then I suppose, almost by definition, you're in territory that the others, who aren't on the same path as you, would would call conspiracy theorist. But it's really just you think, well, if, if I think now that they were lying to me about that and that, and that, were they telling me the truth about anything at all? Yes. And you're.

you're aware that some of it must be true. But it's early yet. I've only been in this revelatory process.

You know, my naive trust that I placed in in the establishment and in the institutions that I had placed in there without really thinking about it terribly much. Well, you were part of the establishment. You worked for BBC. Well, I worked for BBC in as much as I was doing contract work for BBC. So, but I was never directly employed by the British Broadcasting Corporation.

I was, you know, I'd be brought in to do a project and I would be a production company, would pitch a project. I would be the presenter that was associated with that project and I would be paid by the day for the duration of the project. And then I wouldn't be working for the BBC. I'm just saying that people watched you on BBC. Yeah, I'm sure they.

I'm sure they did. I wrote a column for the Sunday Times in Scotland. I was the. I had been for a while the president of the National Trust for Scotland. I was, I was at one stage I was a fellow of the of the Royal Society of Edinburgh.

So I was. I was certainly associated with and part of the the infrastructure of the establishment. That's absolutely the case. But I did all of it. I quite hold my hands up and say I did it with in a naive way, without really interrogating the integrity of those institutions.

It was just. I'm not judging you. I've been there. I just. I just trusted.

I just trusted that I've never been. I've always been a political atheist. Yes, struggling to vote in general elections, but often usually trying to vote for someone to make plain that I was taking part in the democratic process. But I never. I never had a.

I've never been affiliated to any political party, any ideology. But I think I thought that the powers that be had mine and my family's interests at heart, whether they were red or blue, of course, or whatever, I thought, basically, they're going to keep the lights on. They're going to make sure there's food in the supermarkets. They'll maintain the roads. There'll be schools open.

There'll be a hospital, if my family needs it, regardless. But now I just don't feel well. I now know that the establishment doesn't have mine or my family's interests at heart. And that's hard. It's like a grieving process, I think.

Yes. The analogy I would make with that, you know, the five stages of grief that we're supposed to go through, the shock, the denial, the. you know, the bargaining, you know, the anger, the various stages that you're supposed to go through. I'm still. I'm probably four years in just coming to that point where I'm making peace with the fact that I.

it's. it's my responsibility that I didn't see the reality. Yes, that's me. So for a while I was angry with them and I still am angry with them. But the baddies are just baddies.

You know, baddies do what baddies do. My problem is that I feel it's my fault. I should have seen that. I should have. I'm with you.

I should have understood.

Well, compound question. What percentage of your friends in 2020 arrived at the same conclusions you have arrived at? And what's the difference between you and those who didn't admit?

So there were differences of opinion, but it didn't cause any ill feeling or any schisms there. So those people are still fully, we're still, it's all very loving and close. But work, colleagues, friends, you know, people that I'd known in some instances from university days, people that I'd worked beside, broadly, broadly, I've lost touch with all of them. There's a handful of people, there's literally, you know, count on the fingers of one hand, the people that, as it turns out, ended up with all of the same suspicions and have ended up every bit as conspiracist as me. But as I'm sure you would testify, well, I don't know, I'm not going to put, I'm not going to prejudge your experience, but those people that I parted company with, that void has been filled, that vacuum drew into it a whole other cast of people, in many cases, very unlikely and unexpected.

It was very, it was, Trudy and I, my wife and I, we would laugh about, you know, who are you on the phone, who have you just come off the phone from now? And I would say, and it would seem so bizarre and so unlikely, people that a few years ago I would never have imagined I would ever have a conversation with, not for any particular reason, but I just didn't expect to be pulled into their orbit, or them into mine. So I've been through this process of shedding one carapace, feeling very exposed, I suppose, like something that has cast out like a crab without its shell, until the shell hardens again, you know, so very raw, nerves jangling, but now that it's forming again, and I would say, I suppose, to torture that analogy a little bit, I feel a little bit bigger, you know, I feel as if I have grown, because I wouldn't go back if I could press a button and make the COVID debacle not have happened, I wouldn't, because what I've learned and what I feel I now understand, or at least that which I think I now have enough wit to ask the relevant questions to better understand, I wouldn't exchange where I was for, where I am now. Back to a shallow, dishonest life. You know, and I did, I lost all those affiliations that I had, you know, because of the kind of television persona that I had when I was making soft history and archaeology documentaries, you get invited to be patron of this, representative of that, you know, just people want affiliation with you.

So, you know, I was connected to Combat Stress, which was a veterans charity, and I was connected to, you know, the Association of Lighthouse Keepers, is that a big one in Scotland? No, it's a very fringe little group that people that look after the lighthouse keepers, and, as I say, you know, I had an agent and I had a column in the Sunday Times, I had been the president of the National Trust, I was a fellow of the Royal Society, and all of that, I'm not anymore, I'm not any of those things anymore, they all distanced themselves from me, one by one, like dominoes toppling, and it hurts at the time, or the first one does, like the first punch in the face, you know, you never get, you know, every punch you get thereafter is sore, but it doesn't have the shock value of the first one, and so once I parted company with the one, oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I can see that coming, and it's just a process that I'm glad to be on, for me, for us, my family.

I've been, this is, I think of this as the great

compel them to move to one side or the other, particularly to the side you're on? You said it's unlikely people, you never thought you'd be talking to, like, what do they all have in common?

Yes. The first big sorting like that, that there has been for decades. And I think in part, some of it, I think, was simply down to people's natural, you know, amygdala, fight or flight response to threat. I think some people, you know, people, you don't know until whatever the gunfire starts. That's exactly right.

Whether you, you can't think, you're brave, you know, and you know, people like, you know, people at Jordan Peterson, you know, have articulated it very well, that the, the culture of movies that we were all invited to watch growing up, you're invited to think in World War II, you'd have, you'd have been with the French resistance. Of course. You would have, you would have, you would have hidden your neighbors because the black van was outside going to take them away. That's how people, people, are invited to think that they would be the maverick. You would be the one that stands in the face of of the tide.

And then it happened. Before people realized what had happened, they had been sorted in that way. And I think the really, part of what's really difficult now is that there's no going back. And yet we're all still living together. We're all still, all the people are broadly still there.

Those that jumped one way and those that, that jumped the other. And we have to find this way to go on, because we were, we were invited to see what some, what a lot of people were prepared to do. I, one of the most difficult parts of it, it sounds silly now, because it's really a detail, but quite early on, when the mask mandate was still very much, everyone had to wear a face mask. And I was, I was having to go up and down to London for work. I was flying home every Sunday morning and it would be, I don't know, British Airways, flight or whoever.

And I wasn't wearing a face mask and under any circumstances, and I would go through the airport, which was difficult enough. Wait, if I can just ask you to.

I've never been an activist, anything. I'm very much a, I'm a, you know, I just was always, I wasn't really paying attention. That's the truth of it. I just wasn't really watching what was going on. You were making archaeology documentaries.

Well, exactly. I had my own things going on, but to get back to the plane, so it'd be awkward enough, people watching you in the airport, but then I would go up the steps of the plane, the crew, the cabin crew, would be masked and they would say, you're not wearing a face mask. And I would say, no, I'm not wearing a face mask. Are you exempt? Some of them would say, and I would just say, yeah, I'm exempt because in my head I was, because I thought, I mean, as a human being, I'm definitely exempt from this nonsense.

So I wasn't even lying in my own head. I thought, no, I am exempt because there's no point in this. I'm not a slave. You turn right down into the body of the plane and be 299 people with face masks, on glaring, glaring at me. And I would think it's, it's, it's this close.

You know, if someone gave the signal to, you know, let's pin this guy down in the aisle, let's eat him. Yeah. You could see. suddenly you could see, I am actually at risk here, not from the establishment, necessarily, not from the government. in this moment.

I'm just, I'm just because I have made myself conspicuous. I have stood out from the norm and anything could happen in the next five minutes. And I'd have to do the long walk down to my seat, 27E or something, some middle seat. And I have to get into it. And sometimes people either side of me would ring the service bell, put the light on, ask to be moved to get away from me.

And of course they couldn't because it was a full flight. And then I would have to sit for the hour and 15 minutes or whatever of the flight back up to Edinburgh as pariah and then get off the plane. And I, and then rinse and repeat, do it next week, do it next week, do it next week. And it's just, like I said, that's a silly anecdote. It's not silly at all.

It's totally real. But suddenly you, suddenly I saw people and you think, gosh, it's, you could suddenly see how things happen, questions you. I thought, I wonder how they got that to happen in Germany in the thirties. I wonder how they got that to happen in the terror in France, in the, you know, at the back end of the 18th century. I wonder how they got that to happen in Russia.

Well, I do ask myself that anymore, because you think, how?

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So you said that in public. You said famously something close to what you just said, which is, oh, now I understand how totalitarian movements sort of move downward into the population. And the population, by and large, supports some genocidal agenda that normal people wouldn't support, but they do support it. And you said that, and you were attacked as a bigot for.

So that's just my temperament.

I was born here. So are my parents. And I therefore have a share in this. I'm a shareholder in the country. Like I own part of this, mine, actually.

Now I own one 350 millionth of it, but it's still ownership. It's still a share. And you can't treat me like a slave or even your servant, because this is my place. And that's what I think democracy is. It's almost like a temperamental...

It's a description of the certain worldview that you have about your government and your relationship to that government. So that's how I feel about it. It doesn't mean that if 51% of the population wants something, it gets it every time. We have a representative democracy, a constitutional republic, as I'm often reminded. But basically, if you have a system where people in charge don't care at all about what the population thinks, we know for sure that's not.

now. It always was. I mean, I see now why I was, oh God, it's a general election. I better vote for somebody. I was always very disconnected from it.

But now I partly think that that may have been some kind of semi-instinctive realization that it was meaningless anyway. But I worry now about quite a lot of people around me. talk about direct democracy as a solution to our problems. It's always the Swiss model that's quoted. Referenda about this, that, and everything.

Sort out everything by having a referendum about it. And having gone through the last four years, that worries me, because if there had been a referendum about face masks, or lockdown, or, God forbid, mandatory jabs, we'd have got all of them. The majority vote would have enacted all of those things. Mandated jabs, longer, tighter lockdowns, face masks, and all of the rest of it would have been enacted by direct democracy. So now I think.

the problem you've got there is the majority, you better hope they come to your conclusion. Because otherwise you've just, if we take the step of thinking that direct democracy is the.

well, in short, I live in fear of direct democracy. Well, so why do you think they're saying that? I?

And it works for them. And they vote twice a year and all this stuff. And the cantons have a lot of independent power, very weak central government, et cetera, et cetera. But that works with Swiss people. They're changing the population of the West, and particularly of Europe, so fast that you sort of wonder like, what is that?

I mean, the idea that there is a thing called a Britain or a Spaniard, or a Frenchman, or Portuguese people, or Belgians, or people from Liechtenstein or whatever, that there are sort of populations, indigenous populations, in these countries that have a certain national character and language and shared history. All of that is being obliterated by mass immigration. It's on purpose. It's against the will of the populations, existing populations of those countries. And it's clearly tied to political power.

Am I missing something? I mean, look, this is my view from 3000 miles away.

I'm utterly convinced that there's just a huge centralization of power going on.

And I think that's what we are hurtling towards. And people like Eric Hoffer and the true believer and so on, he wrote so effectively about how every mass movement has sought to take away people's national identity and their personal identity. So they want each individual to turn their back on their parents and on their family as being, you know, you can do better than these people. Their ideas are outmoded. They've messed you up and you'd be better off without that influence.

And likewise, they want to cut people away from their national roots, their sense of place,

and their sense that they are British or that they are French. Because once you get people deracinated in that way, cut away from their roots, and the process is also about making people ashamed of their history, be it their own family history or their national history. I've noticed. So that there's nothing in the past but things to be ashamed of. So you get people to disavow the past, to disavow their parents, to disavow the family, to disavow the nation as it's been understood.

And then those people are just dots on a spreadsheet. They're just flickering dots on a screen that can be put anywhere. And now you have a global population that don't belong or feel connected to anywhere. And so you can put them anywhere because they have no roots. And that's been tried over and over again.

All the great faiths have done something, attempted something similar. All the great ideologies, all the isms, fascism, communism, whatever, they all seek to do, as Hoffer explains it in True Believer, they all apply the same tools to get people disconnected until you're just a lone individual that's ready to don a uniform and do something new. in the face of utopia, the nowhere place. that is the ideal future. that's easy to sell people because it doesn't actually exist.

Highland tribes, like none of those people, feel free to stand up and say, what are you doing? Like, no, you can't flood my country with people from another place because they're not Scottish and I am, and you're wrecking my country. Why can't, that's not racist. That's just obvious.

By this, you know, by the same, you know, by the same forces of chaos and disruption. You know, the West has done, god, awful things to one country of the Middle East and elsewhere, one after another, African countries. And those people are, have been cut away from the roots and they're on the move as well. So everyone's victim in this, everyone. And where people turn up in large numbers, where they, you know, from a, from an ethnic and cultural and heritage point of view, don't belong, but that's also not their fault.

You know, they're, they're pawns on the board as well. And, of course, what happens is that the people, you know, the resident, the incumbent population, feel threatened by the arrival of the new and they get angry with the incomers, when really we should all link our, everyone should link arms and say, who did this? Oh, calm down everyone. Just for, let's, let's sort out exactly how this has happened.

If you're being, if they've got to go, if they've got nothing better than to call you anti-Semitic, white supremacist, whatever, then you think, oh, I must be, I must be doing something right. because that's just the same old, uh, box of clumsy, blunt tools that get brought out to shut down anyone who's actually asking important, pertinent questions, but we're not going to answer them because we're not going to give them the answer, because the answer will expose us, the baddies, even further. So let's just, let's just dismiss them as racist or whatever.

You've joined the cinema in the last, in the last, there had been a war in progress for.

And I suppose, uh, around the time, because I, I came into all of this, I suppose, or I was seen to come into all of this around COVID and lockdowns and vaccines for children and all of the rest of it. But then, as I say, once I picked up that thread and then everything started to, then the, the big tapestry all started to fray and unfurl, then the next thing that came up then was Ukraine. And suddenly people who had, there was this loose coalition, I suppose, this fragile thing of people coming together around the COVID debacle and asking the right questions and being militant enough and saying, no, there was a cohesion there. But the Ukraine, it was as though the powers that be, right, we've been rumbled on, we've been rumbled on COVID, let's get a war going, wars are great. And then, and so Ukraine started and a lot of the people that had been, that had brief, it was like, it was like an awakenings, you know, the Oliver Sacks, Robert De Niro movie, people that briefly come awake, just when, when, when the Ukraine war started, they all just went back to where they had been before, listening to the propaganda, just taking the, the official line, accepting the official narrative.

And so I suppose it was when I started being accused of being an, an apologist for, for Putin, I thought I've already been a, a, a, an aluminium tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, anti-vaxxer, you know, granny killer. Now I'm a Putin apologist. Well, fair enough. I've seen the way this works. And now that I've collected that badge, like a scout, I can put that one on my sleeve as well.

Now I'm a Putin apologist. And I definitely don't, I really don't care now, because if, if you're not being, if you're not being accused of being a, whatever label, then you're not in the debate.

They never did anything to me. But like Toria Newland in our state department decides, well, they're our main enemy, for whatever weird reason she has for deciding that. And now I have to sign onto that. Like I'm, I'm an adult man. I can decide who I like and who I don't like.

I don't, the whole idea of it. Well, get on board. Well, I don't know. Maybe I don't want to. Like what?

Who would go along with that? How could any adult allow some far away office holder, agency head or NGO director to decide what their opinions should be? What your opinions as a father of three, a married man with a job, like what you have to believe. Does that seem weird to you?

That, so that sticking out in that way, I was already slightly familiar with. Whereas I think, for, for people who had had, who had enjoyed complete anonymity. and then it came to see the COVID thing and not wearing a face mask or asking questions about what was, what, the, what the children should or shouldn't put in their bodies. It's very uncomfortable to, to stand up and be noticed, to be visible. And so because, because I had a little bit of, a little bit of, I'd grown a little bit of a callous, a little bit of hard skin about being noticed, because I had, I was a face from television, I suppose made it that little bit less uncomfortable for me to then be spotlit about, for the first time in my life, controversial issues.

I'd never been controversial in my life, but at least I was slightly, you know, slightly familiar with, with being noticed.

And, and so I've always had that absolute,

for, for, for so many people, where a split happened between partners over some of this, I can't imagine how awful that must be, because it's hard enough. I can't imagine. Can't imagine it, but we've, we've always been a hundred percent together on it. And even where, in our wider families, you know, where people, you know, took the, took the jabs and whatever, there's never been any, never been any trouble. Difference of, you know, differences of opinion and people thinking what was the right thing to do, what was the wrong thing to do, but no, rancor, no, you know, no, no, no shouting, no, nothing like that.

And so I've always, I've, I've, mercifully, thankfully, I've never been more grateful in my life for, uh, you know, for, for Trudy, because of the way that she responded.

She just didn't blink. She knew, she knows me. She's known me since I was 19.. And, you know, when it comes to being called things like anti-Semitic or racist, or misogynist or whatever, whatever Putin apologists, she knows me. So she doesn't have to wonder.

Is he? You know, because she just, she, just, she's smiling.

you know, and we've,

you know, when it, you know, we've, I mean, we're just, we're very, we, we've been thrust into this from really a very recognisable and ordinary lifestyle. You know, we've got a mortgage and we've got, you know, and we depend on a, on a regular income to keep the wheels on the wagon, like, like, like, like everybody else, the vast majority of people. And, and so we, so we identify and have that commonality with, you know, that's why I think a lot of people, you know, write letters to me from all over the world and they, and they stop me in the street to talk to me, because, you know, I think they instinctively realise that I'm not a, you know, a credentialed academic and I'm not an expert on this, that or the other. I'm very much just a regular person with, with the same, with all of the same concerns that they've got. Kids at school, all of it that people were, you know, were able to, were able to identify with.

But when I say that I've been confronted with what really matters, you think all that stuff about, you know, whether you could afford a, whatever, I don't know, you know, a second home or luxury cars or all of that, all that cliched stuff that, that people are encouraged to think about. And you think, God, no, what really, what really matters is spending 24 hours a day with somebody that backs you up. And my kids are the same. You know, the kids were, they came through the whole, they were under pressure at the time to, to take jabs, you know, or you won't be able to go to the gym, or you won't be able to go to, you know, you won't be able to have your social life, you won't be able to travel. And they were rattled by that.

They were, you know, younger then, you know, they were teenagers when all of that happened, very, you know, impressionable and vulnerable. But, but we got them through that. But they didn't, you know, they didn't, they didn't, they ended up choosing not to you know, take the jabs either. And I cannot put into words how much that means to me that they didn't get polluted with that product. That's it.

That's everything to me. Nevermind the fact that Trudy and I didn't, the fact that it didn't go into them, that there's. no, there's no, um, there's no salary you could give me. There's. no, you know, there's.

no, there's no bonus. you could bung me that would, that would make any difference. So it's, it's all, it's all of that. And so it's been, it's hard to talk about it in many ways without, you know, without sounding almost like you're patronizing people. But, you know, the, the, the extent to which I've been reminded about what's important in life is worth, is worth all of it.

You call me any name you want, because I know who I am and, you know, my family, know who I am, and I can look at my kids and my wife in the eye and she and mine and think no matter what, literally, no matter what happens, we, we made the right calls.

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It does seem like, obviously, you're from a slightly different culture than we're from here in the United States. It's a much smaller country. It's an island in the middle of a freezing sea, and there does seem to be a greater level of conformity in the UK than there is in the United States.

Describe the media in the UK right now.

Dundee were truly studied to be a journalist. D.C. Thompson, an iconic publishing name in Scottish journalism. Duke Jam. and journalism was the cry from Dundee, and a proud, proud history of being ready to hold to the fire the feet of those in authority.

And overnight, either it had slipped away and we hadn't noticed, it was only exposed by COVID, or it slipped away as soon as the COVID debacle started. And then, realising you're part of that process of casting around, looking for, God, we can't be the only people that think this is bonkers and bollocks. There must be other people like this. And then that process of going online. And, as you say, Russell Brand, God bless him.

He was an established podcaster. He was already there doing other things. And when all this started, he was suddenly to the fore.

And suddenly all these new constellations appeared. And you're looking at, thank God, right, who can we listen to today? Who may have many points of view in other subjects and other concerns I might not agree with. But they're certainly asking some of the right questions about this. And so the new media stepped into the fray.

And if anyone, and they are, people were surprised to see me, a guy that used to make documentaries about Stonehenge and the White Cliffs of Dover, and, you know, and waterfalls and Purple Mountain Majesty and all of that. If they were surprised to see me, suddenly, you know, spotlight on live television, asking questions about and refusing to comply with this, that. And the next thing, if people were surprised to see me cast in that role, well, not half as surprised as I was, or Trudy, was, you know, looking at me going, how did this happen to you? How have you ended up doing this? I said, well, that's a very good question.

I really don't know. But it's like the bit in the airplane, you know, where the pilot's dead, with food poisoning, and the co-pilot's dead, and all the aircraft. And some, you know, schmuck has to come from the back of the plane. Because nobody else is going to do it. You know, a lot of people were suddenly cast into that unlikely role and have taken the dog's abuse for having done so.

And their only crime has been to say, hang on, I've got a question. Before we all leap into the abyss of all of this totalitarian regime, I'd quite like to ask a couple of questions just before we all go. And some of the hardest criticism has come from people that you would have thought ostensibly would have been on your side.

That's just my observation.

And we've been under the thrall of an administration in Edinburgh led by the Scottish National Party for what seems like a thousand years. It's been like an SNP Reich.

Would you write, as, you know, a thousand words about what you think? And I wrote that. Well, to cut a long story short, I prefer to stay part of the United Kingdom.

I don't queue the opprobrium from the nationalists, those who, and because I had made television like the history of Scotland and I had been seen as a certain kind of Scottish TV presenter, I think a lot of people made the broad assumption that I was probably nationalist in my politics, which I never have been and, you know, never will be. But but so I go, I go into, I go into trouble then. And so I've been on the. I've been under attack from the SNP and its little wizards ever since then. So I have it's.

it's. it's important, probably in the context of this conversation, to make plain that it actually wasn't Covid that I first got into trouble. It was, it was the independence referendum. And so Scotland is run by by low calibre people, low calibre, cacistocracy, you know, government by the worst of people. Yes.

And, you know, the SNP started, you know, started out famously. Well, it didn't start out, but at the time of the referendum, it was led by Alex Salmond, who at least was a. you know, he was an able, sure-footed politician and a good auditor. You know, so he had some, he had some game, but subsequently it's been Nicola Sturgeon. And it was Nicola, and then, more recently, Humza Yousaf.

And now he's fallen on, he's fallen over his own feet and he's been replaced by another one, another, you know, another non-entity. But it was Nicola Sturgeon through the, through the Covid debacle. And they just seemed to they. they revelled in, she revelled in the power and she revelled in, you know, appearing every day to count death tolls and insist on the continuation of lockdown and cutting the six inches off the bottoms of doors in school classrooms to let air circulate. And insane.

No, but anyway, anyway, she's gone. But so you have in the SNP in Scotland, people who are drunk with the idea of power. You know, they really. I mean, the very idea that the people that a majority would have would have put that bunch actually in control of an independent country makes my blood run cold because it was a close run thing for a while. But it's gone now.

The threat's gone for a generation, if not forever. But so they're inept, they're kakistocratic. And when it came to the the hate crime legislation, they just seemed to go for one offensive, irritating policy after another. They attempted a named persons bill in recent history, where they were trying to insinuate between every child and their parents a named person. Now that could be a teacher, it could be any figure.

That person would have been encouraged, and the child would have been encouraged to establish a relationship with that named person. If there are things you don't want to talk to mum and dad about, you could talk to this named person. And your parents would never need to know that those conversations had taken place. This was the named persons bill. It was eventually knocked back at the Supreme Court.

It's just about taking control of the internet. So the Named Persons Act was... Yes, but in line with that idea of if you want to lead a popular movement, you have to separate the children from their parents. You've got to put pressure on the family until the family fractures. It took the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, to finally turn back and stop the Named Persons, Bill.

But it'll be in someone's drawer, somewhere, you know, still under consideration. The hate crime legislation was just... It's important not to come in on the SNP in the third act, so to speak. They've got a long history of this kind of behaviour. And when it came to the hate crime legislation, that was a pet project of Humza Yousaf, who was the sometime justice minister.

He always failed in every post but fell upwards. So he was justice and failed and got promoted up to health and failed and was promoted up to whatever, one inappropriate appointment after another. And the hate crime legislation was very much something that he championed.

The same thing is happening in Australia. The attempt by these would-be, these tin-pot dictatorial politicians to have control of what people say and what people think. Humza Yousaf wanted to criminalise what people were saying in the privacy of their own homes. So the idea was that if mum and dad were having a conversation in front of the television one evening and dad said something, if the child inadvertently repeated it in school the next day, let's say, my dad said so-and-so, the police could come to the house, hypothetically, and say to the father, what was that you were saying in this house last night? We've got, you know, your child's...

You know, that was the level of it.

. I mean, that's totally North Korean. I don't even think that happens in North Korea, actually.

It's so evil.

It's no coincidence that all of these Western.

regimes in these countries are taking similar steps at the same time. You know, they're not acting independently of one another. They're not all having these dreadful ideas independently. at the same time. You know, this stuff is part of the same pattern that we saw during lockdown, where suddenly it was everyone was saying build back better.

Everyone was saying narrow window of opportunity. You know, everyone was saying safe and effective. Clearly centralised.

I mean, what else does it suggest?

You know, most people, for most of 5,000 years of human history, most people pretty much lived in serfdom. Yeah. In a feudal state, you can describe it any way you like, but it's a narrow, very, very small group at the top, with everything, with all the castles, ownership of everything, and everyone else is so far beneath them as to be at insect level and treated accordingly. You know, that is what we're going back to.

They think there's been a misconception that somehow it's just in the natural order of things, that society works like that. And just the merest glance at the rest of the world at the moment, nevertheless, never mind 5,000 years of history, will show that the possibility of living the kind of lives that some of us have been able to live for a very brief period of time is vanishingly, it's impossibly unlikely what we've had. But too many people have finally been taking it for granted, one after another. That now those who would return us to feudalism have seen, saw the opportunity and have been working towards it. And populations all over the West taking it for granted, being tolerant, being nice, keeping their heads down in return for safety and convenience, have laid themselves open.

They're not in a fit state to defend themselves against a well-organized, well-motivated small group that wants to return the whole thing to some sort of neo-feudalism. But I mean, that's not to say it's too late. You know, I don't want to be completely negative here, that I do think it's still possible. I think enough people have realized, are realizing all the time. And I would say, I think, wait, may I say one thing?

You know, it's been a reality for so many, for such a large part of everyone who's ever lived or died.

Subsequent to that, we got Covid and goodness knows what all. Trudy said, perhaps she wasn't alone, but she was the person that I heard say it. She said those two things were not supposed to happen. They were not in the script. Somebody took their eye off the ball and allowed a figure like Donald Trump to be elected in America.

That's right. And for the population of Britain, by a narrow margin, but nonetheless, by a majority, to leave the European Union. And Trudy said, everything we've had since has been a sustained punishment beating to put those populations back in their box. So everything that's happened, including the evaporation of your southern border, all of that, all of that that's happened, has been a panicky response by that, by a narrow group that saw two things happening off script that were of great significance because it was democratic, you know, that those were popular votes. And now populism is being stamped on all over, all over the world.

The tractors, the truckers revolt, the farmers. protests are all across Europe. All of these things are being mischaracterized by the authorities as far right, as extremist, as, you know, all of the same, all of the same labels. Because in both cases, the people didn't get what they voted for.

And from the moment the ink dried on that decision, all of the powers that be in the establishment, in the civil service, all of it across the political parties, moved heaven and earth to thwart that decision. And so it's been Brexit in name only. Brino, they've called it, because it's no worse. I would say that the situation for those people that aspired to Brexit, they've got less now than they had before the vote happened, because they've been so comprehensively punished and Brexit has been so eviscerated. The very concept of it has been so hollowed out that the people that wanted it have got less than nothing from it because it was populist.

And notice also that in the last four or five years, populist has become a pejorative.

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How can people use the word democracy to describe their country?

I really, gosh, I mean, in my most conspiratorial moments, I think something began to happen all across the West after the Second World War. Clearly. Really, from the middle, during the war and after the war, I think the moves, I don't know if it started then, but I think there was a gear shift.

I love history. I'm fascinated by history. My shelves are full of history books.

Anyway, so it means that I'm prepared. I'm perfectly happy to be at home to unorthodox ideas about history, because I don't have any academic position. I don't have a professorship to defend.

everyone knows they're true.

It's just that, for whatever reason, I've said them. And I've had the opportunity and the platform from which to say them. And because I am just a regular person, saying what every other regular person knows is true, that's my... So, okay. That's my...

But we've wandered off.

. You're qualified enough. You're not an Oxford Don, but you've been right about a lot of things.

And then you've only got to read any coverage of the Second World War to know that at the end of the Second World War, Poland was left swallowed whole by.

. What is that? The stated objective of Britain declaring war at the time was, well, you didn't do it. You didn't do that.

between Roosevelt and Stalin and Churchill, and the fact that.

. You know, agreements were arrived at somehow where.

many people who wanted whatever you would call the West, they wanted to be the West, they were just allowed to be swallowed whole by the communist bloc.

It's important not to be distracted by whether or not it's national socialism or communism or whatever. They're all the same. They're good for a handful of people and they're catastrophic for everybody else.

And so clearly, something shifted up a gear in the West, in the middle of the.

. During the Second World War and after, and has been moving faster and faster ever since. But I think there's been an extraordinary gamble taken now.

Because even people who are in a state of semi-slumber, like myself, were aware of notions like a social contract. You know, that we, as citizens, would be represented... You know, no taxation without representation. You know, we would have our views represented. We would have our liberty defended.

We would be safe in peaceful countries. And in return for that, we would pay tax and we would submit to certain otherwise, you know, onerous restrictions on... You can't do anything. You've got to agree to be policed by consent and so on and so on. And that's okay.

So there's now a social contract. There's a quid pro quo there for people. There's a reason for people to comply because there's something in it for them. Liberty, aspiration, hope, all of that being protected by legislation and a constitution, and all of that. The gamble that's been taken now is that all of that is supposed to...

Is being taken away. Everything that the people... All of the inducements to be law-abiding, peaceful citizens, is being taken away.

And what do I get in return? Nothing. You're going to get a digital ID. You're going to get central bank, digital currencies. You're going to live in 15-minute cities.

You know, you're going to have.

. We'll tell you what to eat. Your currency will be programmable. So we'll have complete, moment-to-moment in real-time control of everything. you do, everything you want to do.

Now, that's a heck of a gamble for a very narrow group of people to take with billions of people. Because there's nothing in it for the people. There's nothing in it for them. And I think they have fumbled the ball. I think that's where there's hope.

Because not 50%, not 51% of the people have realised that and would do anything about it. But history shows that it never requires... It only takes 5% or 10% of people to cotton on and do something about it and make the difference. And I think that in the final moves towards this kind of neo-feudalism, they have exposed themselves. They've gone galloping towards the finishing line too early, in the wrong way.

And too many people have seen it. And I think in there somewhere is hope. And it's probably enough hope.

It's an absolute obligation to be positive. I struggle with it. I mean, I agree. I have to be yanked back onto the path of righteousness by Trudy all the time because she is, by inclination, more positive than I am. But nonetheless, you know, I lean to the dark side all the time.

But when we spoke earlier about being brought to terms with being made to confront what really matters, and it is difficult to talk about it, in many ways. It almost makes a person blush because of the things that you find yourself having to say. But, you know, the Constitution of the United States, you know, the First Amendment, it's at times like this that these things are. suddenly, a light comes on inside them and suddenly everyone sees them as though, for the first time. It's only because they're being threatened that people see them.

You know, the language, you know, the inalienable right is so important, you know, that you know this, you get this at school. But, you know, the inalienable is to say that your freedom is not, you're born with it. It's there. It's from God. It certainly isn't given to you by any person and it can't be taken from you by any person.

But the third and most important bit about inalienable, I only really began to contemplate in recent years, is that even if you want to surrender your freedom, you can't, because it's inalienable. You are lumbered with it. You're stuck with it. It's like your leg. You can't, it's part of you, your freedom.

And it's when it's challenged in this way, and it's under freedom, and people talk about freedoms as though it's plural. There's only freedom. It's a single thing. And because it's inalienable, it's at the moment when it's being threatened that people, none of us has any, we have an obligation to defend it. You don't get the choice.

If someone offers you slavery, will you be my slave? You can't, because it's your inalienable right to be free. You can't surrender to slavery. It's not your thing to give away. And that's why some of this, I suppose, had to happen.

People need to see the freedom of speech being taken away by hate crime legislation, hate speech legislation, or whatever. They need these things to happen before you look again at what freedom is, what democracy might be, what it is to have inalienable rights.

And we don't have the option to give these things up, even if we're broken and we want to.

And I think these are profound verities.

You don't get to give it up.

And all of that can be subverted by evil. It's a bit like if you can hold a ball under the surface of water for as long as you've got the strength to do it, but the ball wants to be somewhere else, because that's in the natural order of things. And eventually the totalitarians will run out of the strength to subvert the way that things are supposed to be. And you can't, it's difficult to put a timeline on these things. You know, I wouldn't say that we're going to see the end of it in our lifetimes, you and me.

And it might be for our children to see the end of it, but it will end, because the natural law will reassert itself. I didn't, I didn't, another of the things I was sort of sleepy about and in a state of slumber about, I didn't really think about faith. I've always been a person of faith. quietly. I don't go to church, but I believe in a transcendent, intelligent entity.

And I think that was brought home to me, and the light came on in it for me during this time as well, because so many people wrote to me. Thousands of people wrote to me from all over the world. This game started where people, one woman wrote a letter to me and addressed it to Neil Oliver at near Stirling Castle, Stirling, Scotland, and the letter came to me. And I thought, well, that's impressive. The postman managed to get that to me.

And I put a picture of it on social media and without thinking, and it opened floodgates. And now I've had thousands of letters like these. And so people were writing to me without knowing my address. And the vast majority of the letters were about, this is a fight between good and evil. This is a fight between right and wrong.

This is about light and dark. It was as fundamental as that for most of those people that were writing to me. And perversely, in an upside down way, it was becoming aware of evil in the world around me. that made me think there will be, what's the opposite of evil? There must be good.

There must be good because I see the evil. And every force has its equal and opposite. So there must be good. There must be God. There must be, because I've seen the alternative.

I've seen the adversary. Because it's stalking the land. at the moment. The badness is visible.

And that's part of the profound realignment that I've been going through. Or it really is just an awakening. I mean, that's a hackneyed term now, but being awakened.

You know, the crucial thing is invariably done by the one or just a few people who are right. You know, when you, sometimes you'll be sitting at a dinner table with friends and family and whatever, and you see something and the whole place just breaks up. A great, perfect line. You just say something and everyone laughs. And if you think often, most often, you didn't even think of the line.

You didn't compose it. It's just there and you said it. And everyone laughs, because what you said, it's not just funny, it's also true.

People can instantly, true, runs through people. You know, like lightning through a lightning conductor. It just, oh, it runs through you and you feel it. And I think that's what's happened for a lot of people. A lot of people are able to identify very readily with what's wrong here, which is simply an inversion of natural law that evil is trying to assert itself.

Freedom is being taken from people from whom it cannot be taken, but with the ending of those people themselves. These fundamentals are happening, and I do genuinely, hand on heart, think enough. people think that. Don't just think it, they know it because it's true. It's true and people feel it.

The second you hear it, you know it. But I think there's a step from that experience to using the word God in public in the secular West. Are you hearing that more?

And they're all saying the same thing, because the only important bits of any of those messages are the same anyway. And they're all,

again, it's the truth. So it's striking, it's chiming with me. It's like, you know, I can feel it, because it's evidently true. And so I don't have any qualm about invoking God, because, you know, I'm pretty sure I've caught sight of the devil.

But it hasn't turned out that way. And I have to say, you, Galloway, of course, Russell Brand, it feels like the people who hate you the most in the UK are educated white liberals. And it feels like a lot of Muslim immigrants are open to what you're saying and agree with you. That's my impression as a foreigner. Do you feel that?

I don't know if you had that experience in the UK. We definitely had that here. And it's just interesting.

I went, oh, Jed Bartlett. Whoa, fantastic. And now I think, oh, why did I ever think that? Now, you were in the belly of the beast. What is it, what is it with these people?

You know, these people that, you know, that I'm not going to, if I name any names, you know, these people that have gone in skinny and come out fat with money, with lobbying and goodness and insider trading and all of the rest of it. So they've got more money than Croesus. And they're still there, in their dotage, still at it. What drives it?

It would never even occur to me to do that. So I didn't grow up like that. So the idea that other people were saying things they knew to be untrue for money, that, like I, never, I was shot. It took me decades to figure out what was going on. And you would hear people say, oh, it's all about the money.

And I'd be like, that's bullshit. It's not, you know, we just have different views, different ideologies, different worldviews. No, a lot of it was just about the money. And I just did not perceive it.

And there is an inherent freedom in that. And debt is slavery. We love debt. in the United States. We have a debt-based society, you know, lending money and interest.

That's like the main thing that we do in the United States. I think it's disgusting. I've always thought that. So if you can get out of that, it's clearly liberation. But beyond that, like, is it going to make you happy?

No. I mean, I've just lived around rich people my whole life. So I know that that does not make you happy.

And it just feels like, you know, it does begin to feel as if it's in the service of some kind of darkness.

You're doing it for killing people, as, you know, the U.

S. government has. I hate to say it as a patriotic American, but it's been a force for killing for a long time. What is that? And again, there's only a spiritual answer, I think, to that question.

I don't see a rational one, for sure. But I also think it's recognizable in a temporal framework as hubris. It's the belief that you are God, that you have greater powers than any man actually possesses, greater foresight, greater wisdom, greater power. And that is, like, the oldest trap there is. Like, that is the story of history, is people, you know, convincing themselves that they're more than human.

And that's how you destroy yourself in the society that you lead, for sure.

If you allow unelected bureaucrats to murder the guy that the majority elected, like, just by definition, the system is not what they say. it is, obviously. So, but I do think, I agree with you 100%, and I agree with our, you know, long departed president, Dwight Eisenhower, that it really was the second world war, in ways that I don't understand, but it's demonstrable, changed the nature of the country, changed the relationship between the population and its government. Can I just ask you a question that I always think about, but I've, UK specific question. So, 1914, UK, England, Britain, whatever we're calling it, you know, is running the world, and doing, I would say, a pretty good job, not perfect job, pretty good job, putting in railways, and spreading Christianity, and being kind of pompous, but basically being a fairly benign colonial power, as colonial powers go.

There's a war, four years, the smartest people in the country are all killed for no obvious reason, the country's really weakened by that war, the United States becomes a preeminent power in the world by 1919.

. So, it's a huge loss for Great Britain, I would say the first world war, again, for no real reason. 20 years later, your leaders tell you, gotta do it again, for reasons that are clearly fake, liberate Poland, and then hand it to Stalin, that's not the reason, obviously, democracy is not the reason, and then the country's really like, wrecked, and the empire collapses, and it becomes sad. Is there bitterness about that? Like, why wouldn't that be the bitterest thing that ever happened in the history of your country?

Are people still, do they talk about that? They brought us into two wars that just destroyed us, all these cool things that we had, this great society that we had, we made.

You know, we're only angry with what happened at one remove, in a sense, because the people who really suffered it are gone. But I hear what you're saying about-.

And the way in which- You don't live through a period and know that- You might suspect that the world might be changed forever as a result of the period that you're living through, but to actually predict what will be the real consequences in 10, in 50 years' time is beyond all of us. I think it's impossible. I think part of why people won't waken up to this at the moment and won't confront it is because it's so big, what's happening. I think it is going to be like a first world war. Of course.

You know, someone said that the first world war was a set of iron railings between the past and everything else, because you could see the past, but you could never reach it again. And I think, but that wouldn't have been a pardon right at the time. That wouldn't have been a pardon, even as the men were dying.

He didn't understand what he was fighting for. He was in a good mood the whole time.

They didn't care about America. They just cared about money. And I think that has been, I think we lost in that slow motion consequence of the 20th century or the first half of the 20th century,

all of what had been before, that kind of love of country, that kind of patriotism,

that kind of identity. I think that was unmoored, unhitched at that point. And something very large and slow moving just began to drift like a great liner. There's no longer on its safe anchorage. And it's just, and it's only now, with our kind of 20,, 20, 20 vision of hindsight, that we're able to look back and see that that happened.

Of course. And there's a state within a state that's like the Vatican. It's a separate entity. People don't fully appreciate the extent to which the city of London is not Britain. It's a separate, it's a separate, it's a police force.

The monarch has to seek permission to enter the city of London. There's a nominated person in parliament, the city remembrance, or most people don't notice who's there all the time to make sure that the unique rights of the city of London are maintained and not compromised by any subsequent legislation. You know, so there's been a long period of that. So, to get back to a time before the banks had thrall, you'd have to be before the banks were given, the Bank of England was given that magical power to create fiat money. That's when all the, you know, that's when the troubles.

Do you know about the Bradbury Pound? That's the great story. Well, you know about, you know, the, what'd you call it? Abe Lincoln had constitutional script, the Greenbacks. Yes.

During the civil war, obviously, you know, to get himself out of a financial hole. Well, the Bradbury Pound came about in 1914, because there was a run on the banks. War had, war was declared and people panic and people are going to the banks with their bits of paper, their big bank notes. I promised to pay the bearer on demand, the sum of five pounds, 10 pounds. And in those days, you could actually get that transformed into gold.

You could get the commensurate, the, you know, the relevant gold.

So they must have had something kind of ready to go. And they created treasury notes. And the first Lord of the treasury was a man called, I think it was John Bradbury, Bradbury anyway. And his signature was on these notes and they became, their nickname was the Bradbury Pounds. And so the banks reopened.

The people were still queuing up, wanting to transfer their bank notes into gold. They were persuaded to take these treasury notes instead. And people said, well, what's the value of these? And they were debt free and interest free. And they were underwritten by the notional value of Britain.

The, everything that Britain was or is, it's creativity, it's people, it's labour force, it's industry, everything. That's what underwrote the Bradbury Pound. And for whatever reason, people accepted it. Okay, I'll take these Bradbury Pounds. I'll take these treasury notes, not bank notes, treasury notes, interest free, debt free.

And that got, that saved. the day. The run on the bank was averted. Now, almost at once, the banks said, or realised, we can't have this. This is debt, free, interest, free mode of exchange.

What's in it for us? And so very quickly, they went back to the government, said, withdraw these Bradbury Pounds. Let's go back to the old days. We'll buy government bonds. We'll give you bank notes.

We'll call it 3%. 3% interest. sound fair? The Bradbury Pounds were, I think, the last one. actually didn't come out of circulation until maybe in the late, well, many years later.

I can't remember exactly when the last one came out of circulation. Britain's national debt in 1914, before the war, was about 650 million pounds. By 1918, it was 7.5 billion because the bankers had regained control. But for a moment, for a moment, with the advent of this debt, free, interest, free, treasury note, underwritten by the notional or real value of Britain, there was a currency went out into general circulation that could have changed everything. Imagine if people, imagine if the banks had been disempowered because they didn't have the power of debt.

They didn't have the power of usury, interest, whatever you want to call it. But they realised we're not having this. So having been got out of the hole of the run on the gold, the Bradbury Pounds are taken away. Nobody noticed. there's a war on.

And the national debt, that began its cycling upwards.

Other people say, no, this is the foundation upon which we will rebuild society. And somewhere between those two polar extremes must lie the truth. I think there are elements about it,

distributed ledger, blockchain. I think somewhere within there, there are profound solutions, because I have asked and had a vague yes, whether or not you could use the blockchain protocol to have, say, a news channel that couldn't be shut down because it's peer-to-peer. The currency exchange with Bitcoin is peer-to-peer, person-to-person, without the intercedence of a bank. And hypothetically, they say, yes, you could distribute information. You could transact.

Bitcoin, essentially, is a transaction of information. So therefore, you could, hypothetically, you could exchange news in that way and the baddies couldn't get at it, hypothetically. So the cryptocurrency, or Bitcoin and blockchain, interests me for that reason.

And although I listened to very strong voices saying, don't go anywhere near Bitcoin, it's been hacked. The banks have got control of it and so on and so on. I think somewhere within that thinking, there might be some of the answer.

And I think there's a line that do they want to, do. they have the, will, they cross it and do the wet work that would be required? They're operating at one remove from really hurting people physically, really going the lengths of throwing people into, you know, gulags and concentration camps. They're not there yet. And, you know, are they ready?

Do they have the backbone to actually start? Not so much by people like me, but bigger fish. Are they really going to do that? I don't know if they've really got it in them. If, as long as people-.

COVID came and influenza vanished. That's a bit- Really? Now, all the people that would traditionally, in their tens or hundreds of thousands, every winter, would die of the flu. Yes. Nobody's dying of flu.

This is now COVID? That's kind of convenient. So I'm not entirely sure there was anything new. There was no pandemic. You know, the average age of death was 82, 83, which is beyond life expectancy.

You know, you look at the stats, the official government stats for a country like Germany,

in 2019, 2020, hospital bed occupancy was at an all-time low. There was nothing clinically observable that would have given any clinician any cause for alarm, in terms of, we're dealing with something here, people are dropping like flies. It simply wasn't-.

Well, not before the rollout of the jabs. But in 2019, 2020, there was nothing. There was nothing to see here. What we ended up with was a pandemic of testing, with the misapplication of PCR tests that were never designed, according to their designer, to be used as diagnostic tools. They're forensic.

They're not diagnostic.

Everything about it was hinky. The whole thing was obviously, they simply took an opportunity to do something that they were planning to do anyway, which was to use a pandemic to seize control of people's freedom and their money. The biggest transfer of wealth in history. Job done. All of that was achieved.

But if we had a pandemic of anything, it was a pandemic of propaganda, a pandemic of lies, and a pandemic of testing.

That's it.

Including relatives of ours.

Yeah. It's now routinely quoted as 20.. Yes. Right, so the numbers, just, whatever the numbers are, they go up. And so likewise with the Spanish flu, now I read sometimes that maybe 200, more 200 million people died of Spanish flu.

But the number keeps going up with the passage of time. And there's quite, there are grounds for thinking that people died of. was aspirin overdose. Because aspirin was very new at the time of the Spanish flu pandemic. And the doctors or the medical, establishment, they kind of knew they had their hands on a useful drug, but they hadn't worked out the dosage.

They didn't know how best to administer it and at what level. And people were literally eating handfuls of aspirin. Seriously? They were taking handfuls of aspirin. And people, when they were dying of Spanish flu, their symptoms are not what you would expect from flu, influenza.

People had bloody froth at their noses, at their mouths, bluing of the lips, which is symptomatic of oxygen starvation. But those are symptoms of aspirin overdose. Aspirin overdose will cause your blood to have less oxygen in it, hence the bluing of lips. And then the damage to lungs.

Doctors were encouraged to push aspirin on their patients, you know, and they were in league with government, and physicians were all working together with big pharma to push aspirin as the wonder cure, as the wonder treatment. And you've got, well, you end up with many, many dead. Like I say, that lies, damned lies in statistics. It's hard to know how many people, certainly now, but a lot of people died. But then sometimes a lot of people die with an influenza.

But the way that things got out of control, you've got this complicating factor of people eating fistfuls of aspirin and it was cheap. People could get their hands on, they could get their hands on it. So it's hard to know if people were dying of influenza or if they were dying of aspirin overdose.

how wary are you of taking any drugs?

I worry about,

you know, I lie in bed and I think, God, what would I do if I was injured and I needed a blood transfusion? Or if I needed injections of whatever, how confident would I be of what was in the injections? I could be being told one thing and the reality being another, and it might not even be the fault or the action of the person administering it. Right, that's right. What exactly is in that vial?

Oh, well, I worry about exactly, because, you know, clearly the AstraZeneca product, which was not an mRNA, a denoviral, yada, yada, different.

That's been thrown under the bus, but the mRNA products are still there. Pfizer, Moderna. And we know that my government have invested hugely in mRNA technology. This is going to be the platform for the future of all sorts,

pharmaceuticals included. So I'm very, very anxious about what's going to be out there. And, as I say, if I required, as I'm sure I will, between now and popping my clogs, I'll need medical intervention. And I would be anxious. And I tell you, I've traveled extensively, as have you, and in the years before, I've had everything going.

And I've had bad reactions to things. I remember being really very unwell after my yellow fever. Me too. I was, you know,

So I've had, you know, I've had my stories to tell about, but I've had everything. I've had Japanese encephalitis, jabs and hep this and hep that. You name it. I was an enthusiastic. You know, to be...

You can't call it safe. That's a dangerous word, safe. Effective? No. They knew going out that it wouldn't stop transmission because they hadn't tested to see if it would stop transmission.

So the whole safe and effective. and take this not for you, but to make sure you don't kill loved ones was a lie. That was lie after lie after lie. And it was only... We know all this.

It was only released under emergency use authorization, probably involving the DOD rather than Big Pharma in any meaningful sense. They knew going in that there would be an adverse reaction, for every 800 doses of... Every 800 dose would see an adverse reaction. They got pages and pages of what the adverse reactions were going to be that Pfizer tried to bury for 75 years, but wasn't able to do. We were lied to and lied to and lied to.

Well, the question is why. It was almost... People were almost being thrown in jail for knowing and saying that it was lies.

In the history of humanity. And for the sake of your honour, for the sake of your family name, you must walk away from having anything to do with applying this product to anyone. You must. Because if you do this, you will be taking part in the biggest crime against humanity. I was thinking, my God, who is this guy?

But it was something very.

. He was a credentialed, serious clinician,

research scientist person. Why would he be saying these things? He must have reasons for saying these things.

And so he was very early on saying, this is gene therapy. This is going... This could change the DNA of the cells in people's bodies. And we already think we're seeing that happening.

But, you know, being locked indoors for a year, you know, bereft of human contact. And, you know, there are lots of different factors. Drinking and drug use went way up. Screen time went way up. But there's no denying that people changed the way they lived and their attitudes really changed.

And if you have a drug that could potentially change people's DNA, and I think there's evidence that it can, I mean, it can.

Why wouldn't you see changes in behaviour?

genetic change. But people, that part of our conversation earlier, that thing about a test, a sorting of people in a fairly binary choice, to find out that you were, that you got the biggest test of humanity wrong, the big one, here's the one. You don't know it's coming, but it turned out that that was the test. And to know that you, or to suspect, I'm pretty sure I called that wrong. I did that.

And people have seen that in themselves, and that's a lot to live with. You know, if you, I don't know, let's say you're lying in your bed at night, family asleep, mum and dad, three, four kids, and the smoke alarm goes off. And as dad, you suddenly find yourself standing out in the street, having fled the house. Without even, before you even had time to think, you realise that your instinct, it turns out it's a false alarm anyway. There's nothing to worry about.

But nonetheless, imagine if, how would, and then you go back into the house.

Dad, you didn't come for us. You ran out into the street, and we were still in the house with the smoke. That's the kind of analogy I would draw. So yes, people may, maybe the RNA component of what happened would alter people, but I think people are altered by self-realisation, which is a pretty powerful drug.

How'd you survive that? Like women, drowned and you lived? Like, really? But I think we've lost touch with a lot of that. But that is a feature of nature, of the natural law that you referred to earlier.

And so it's real, whether we acknowledge it or not. And I, you know, guys who are raped in prison are referred to as bitches. You know what I mean? There's something once you submit or allow yourself to be treated as something less than human, it changes you. And, of course, being forced to take a drug into your body, whose effects you don't know, that you don't want, is an act of truce.

It is like getting raped.

And we know what we're supposed to do. that, in order to justify our three score and 10. in this incarnated moment in time, we should go on the hero journey and emerge as fathers in our own right, able to fulfil that role. We know that that's the hero journey. And it's right there woven into us.

It's in everyone's, it's in the DNA. And to have had your shot.

and not going into the belly of the beast in pursuit of, you know, you're taking up your role.

Now it's like, you've got a chemical imbalance. Like we can't. even, I don't think young people can even analyse human behaviour in those terms.

And therefore they can be casual and contemptuous of people in a count of billions because they have got away from the sovereign human being. That's right. And what it means. You know, we don't have, we've barely, barely floated a dugout canoe onto the Pacific ocean of the unknown as the human consciousness. And then, but we've already got the transhumanists, not the transgender, the transhumanists who are already preaching that the human being, mark one, is suboptimal and needs an upgrade via technology.

You know, they want to blend humans with tech,

digitised, you know, ersatz human beings, because the time of the biological human is partly over. But that's a product of the wrong kind of people, not even asking what it means to be human and alive.

you know, that's a theological concept, I think.

And it was that return of that Neo-Malthusian approach to people. There's too many of them and they're not worth having anyway. So this is going to be the ending of us. And the predictions of Ehrlich and so on were wrong. You got it completely wrong.

And I talk to people, I interview people all the time who are saying, and you'll be across this, that birth rates are plummeting across the West. It's not just in the West. Japan is poised to disappear in a hundred years. There won't be any Japanese people. That's right.

So it's not even a Western phenomenon.

Swathes of populations are not producing enough people to keep themselves going. It's true in Britain and France, all across Europe. It's true in America. It's really bad. in America.

People are having like 1.

4, 1.

5 children on average, which is not enough to sustain. And so, and people are not appreciating that they are sitting in the cheap seats on a plane that is in a tailspin. That may not be possible, even if you could get to the controls to pull the plane back into level flight. It may have gone beyond that point. And so you've got that information out there.

at the same time as people like Bill Gates and others are saying, we've got to check the human population. We've got too many people. And in a hundred years time, there's not going to be anybody here. Well, I'm using hyperbole, but populations are in steep decline. And the explanations for it are existential.

You know, it has to do with maybe possibly falling fertility. And God knows what we've done to fertility with these products that we've jammed into several billion people. We'll see what the fertility consequences of all that are in due course.

Like, what is that impulse? Like, why would you be mad at someone for encouraging young people to have children? Like, that's very weird to me.

He was part of that, the intellectual dark web. Remember the Sam Harris,

Brett Weinstein, Heather Haying, and Jordan Peterson, and so on. And I remember being really, very profoundly struck by a lot of the things that Peterson had to say about children and parenthood. And, for example, I really remember, I'm saying that, you know, so many people say they don't want to have a baby because it's going to interfere with their lifestyle. And he said, I really have to ask, what kind of lifestyle is it that you can't take a baby with you? And I thought, yeah.

Because we, Trudy and I, when we had our first, and then we've got three, they always came with us. They just were there. They were just, then there were two of them, and now there are three of them. And they just went everywhere. We just, it didn't impinge on anything.

And obviously it goes without saying that it made our lives.

by inexpressible orders of magnitude richer. And yet, you know, but the abiding message out there is that, oh no, there's better things to do than be families. That's anti-human at the basal level.

So, when it comes to measuring temperature, there was only really one way, for, unless we were going to go extinct or go straight into another full Ice Age, there was only one way for the temperatures to go, which was up. And so the fact that there has been sustained increase in temperature, well, it would be because it was coming from the bottom of the. well. The only way was up.

Also, it used to be accepted, accepted fact that increasing carbon dioxide follows a rise in temperature. It doesn't cause it. As the world gets warmer, there is, there's a kind of a several hundred year lag, and then there's more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as a consequence of that warming. And so to tell people that carbon dioxide is causing the increase in temperature would be like seeing a horse and car on a road from space and imagining that the cart was pushing the horse because you could see it moving. That would be how wrong you are.

It's the horse pulling the cart. And likewise, CO2, there's more of it once the planet's warmer. But I think it's 800 years is the lag. So there are all sorts of reasons for being aware that this way in which people are being frightened into thinking that there's a catastrophic apocalypse coming because they've got gas central heating and they drive fossil fuel cars. It's a hoax.

There's a big, complicated picture to do with the climate changing. It used to be called, in the 70s, I remember the documentary with Leonard Nimoy. Very well. Talking about, you know, we were getting into an ice age. That was just the 70s.

And then it became global warming. But then, because that isn't holding up, it's become climate change. Well, yeah, of course climate changes. And then, in any event, what's being done in response to it is not green and it's anti-human.

You know, as advocates of fossil fuels say, if we are, if we are, let's say we are going into a time of climate uncertainty and instability, that would be the very time you wouldn't want to deal with the ability to cheaply and readily heat homes or air condition them.

They can't be recycled. Electric cars. That's just a means to get people out of their cars and back onto, I don't know, horses or Shanks's pony or whatever. So it's not, it's not green. What is being done?

The planet, we're making a mess. You know, look what happens in the extraction of the lithiums and other rare earth metals are required for electric batteries. Look at the child slavery that that entails. Look at the, look at the scarification of the planet that's involved in the extraction of those things. The destruction of ecosystems and habitats in pursuit of green energy.

Really? Seriously? And the one, you know, the one clean, green energy that is available, which is nuclear, is strictly verboten. because, well, because we've been told that you can't have nuclear energy.

You know, the first thing you would do is get rid of private air travel, but that doesn't occur to anybody. I don't understand. Like, what is that? What are we watching?

You know, the hypocrisy of it, the rubbing of people's noses in it is off the scale. And again, it's anti-human. If, if, for want of the kind of farming techniques and the, and the, and the fertilizers that we have, there's very good reason for thinking that half the world's population will starve to death for want of the kind of fertilizers that are made from oil, you know, so they just stop oil.

responsibility. to be positive, I would have to answer yes to that question, that more, more people do say, well, I can see. for one, I see it now and I didn't used to. So I've added to the count by one, and Trudy sees it and she didn't used to. So that's two and our kids do.

So that's five, you know, so just in my immediate circle, I'm seeing people wakening up on a very personal level. So, so yes, I do, I do think that, that enough people are seeing the, the way in which we are being played. We are being an attempt, a galactic scale attempt to pull the wool over our eyes is, is going on. And more and more people are seeing it. And they're seeing that people are being uprooted from their, their homelands and have been for generations.

And they are turning up where they, you know, maybe oughtn't to be. And instead of people in, you know, pausing for a moment to think, why is this disruption happening? They just get angry with the victims of it. And I'm not saying, I'm not, I'm not, I mean, I'm sure there are, I'm sure there are bad lads and, and, and criminals, and absolutely the sort of people of whatever creed and color that you wouldn't want in your communities. I do, I see, I get that.

Absolutely.

And there's not, it's not a big, it's not a big group. And actually their techniques are old, worn out and transparent from overuse. And, you know, there's nothing to fear, but the fear they sow, I would say.

It's nothing less than your obligation to force yourself to be optimistic. You can't, you cannot go to the, to the dark side until it's all over. In which case it won't matter anyway. But I don't think, I don't think so.