Candace Owens x Amber Rose | Candace Ep 33

Is she actually a conservative? I'm like, guys, I'm just saying what I believe in my heart to be true, and now you're trying to put me through a test, and that's exactly what happened to you thereafter. So I guess the first question I just wanna ask you is, how are you doing today?

My story, how I came over to this side. And they wrote something up and then I kind of put it into my own words. and that's what everyone saw at the RNC. But I will say, Candace, I did not think anyone would care. I'll be honest with you.

I just, you know, I was just like, there's so many speakers going up. No one knows me in the political world. You know, I'm gonna go there. And, honestly, the whole day before I spoke, maybe there was like some young girls that were like my fans and stuff that wanted pictures. But other than that, no one, you know, really knew who I was there.

And right after that speech, boy, I must've taken like 3,000 pictures in four days.

Why does anyone care? You know? And then I go online and everyone's like, she's irrelevant. No one cares about what she has to say. No one gives a shit, you know?

And then I'm like, okay, no one gives a shit. Let me just go on stage and just say how I feel. And then people give a shit and I'm like, but I thought they weren't gonna give a shit. So that's what I battle with every time I do something like that.

Like these are your political beliefs and you can't change. So I knew hitting the RNC stage, which is such a pendulum swing, they were not gonna have that. And then I knew that conservatives, I just don't think that they have thought through the differences, not all conservatives, I thought the differences between what it means to be a conservative, what it means to be a Republican, and what it means to be a Christian. And they were holding you to a test of, is she a Republican, conservative, Christian? And the reality is, tons of people can and do vote Republican who are not Christians, who are not even necessarily fully conservatives.

They're like gay married men. And they vote because they prioritize the economy over their gay identity.

Was there any comments that, before we get into, like your background and how you ended up there, that impacted you or that you felt upset about? that came at you? Or were you just like, I'm good?

You know, people, religious people like that is why I went on my atheist journey. And so I was a Christian my whole life. My mom still goes to church seven days a week. I used to go to church with my mom all the time, but I used to run into people like him often. And so for me, it made me just get turned off by the church and then in turn kind of go on a spiritual journey.

I was looking into Buddhism. I was looking into Islam, which was extremely far-fetched for me.

And then I landed on atheism because I just never felt comfortable on that side. But I will say, besides that,

when I showed up at the RNC, there was a lot of white men in suits. And so I can understand why maybe a person of color or somebody that comes from the left would be intimidated by that, because that's maybe not necessarily the norm that we're used to being around. But after I did that speech, Candice, I spoke to so many people, or they were coming up to me and telling me their stories, right? And these are guys that look like they come from generational wealth. And they're like, oh no, I came from nothing.

I just worked my way up and I figured it out. Or one of the other guys was like, my dad's in prison for murder. I mean, you would think this guy was like had a billionaire daddy. He was like, my dad's in prison for murder. My sister died of fentanyl poisoning.

My brother died in the opioid crisis. And so it just, I still had that remnants left of the left in my head, where I have to admit, when I walked in there, I'm like, oh my God, they're gonna hate me, or they're just, they're from a different world. And when I started talking to them, I'm like, we're actually all going through the same thing in America right now. And you can't just judge a book by its cover, because I don't want people to judge me. I'm actually a sweetheart.

I'm not a crazy person or anything like that. But yeah, it was really sad. A lot of people are going through a lot and thank you for telling your stories, everyone at the RNC and sorry for your loss, because people lost a lot of people to fentanyl mostly.

And then I'm like, it is actually, as soon as you get around that, I'm like, they're exactly the same people flipped. And some of the best people I've ever met, actually, I will say the best people I ever met are just from down here in the South, because they have the right values. Like, you know, the family and faith, and faith is a big component of it. And I know what you mean when you say that you feel, and it makes me sad to hear that because I've heard it many times that Christians can be really judgmental. Or if you felt that, because the reality is that there were so many other Christians who were not saying that.

And I messaged Matt immediately because I actually know Matt Walsh very well. I've worked with him for years. He's actually an amazing person. And I just felt that-.

And I think what he was trying to say, and I hope I don't sound like I'm an apologist for Matt Walsh, but obviously, and I might be being a little Catholic gang gang here, but I think what he was trying to say was something about the RNC and what they're prioritizing. But I actually even disagree with that point too, because I think that, again, speaking to what the RNC should be trying to do ahead of an election, is basically saying, these are the things that we are offering, like a better economy, this, that, but these are the lies that are told about the RNC. People believe that Donald Trump is this. And I think a part of that is kind of trying to disillusion people. And so I wish you guys, and I hope you will, on the opportunity to have a moment to speak, because, I promise you, it's not who he is.

He's a really good dude.

I totally get how you feel about the situation.

You don't know them. They're with their family. You're with your family. And they'll say, we're at the hotel or the restaurant at the same exact time. This is what they have done to me throughout the years.

Okay? So I get it. I understand. this is why I'm doing this interview. I understand why he's like, she just rappers or she just does this.

And even my slut walk, I was really, really proud of it. I hate what it turned into. I hated the name slut walk. I hate it when girls, you know, which sounds very hypocritical, had to leave the slut walk dressed like that, which was the whole point. Like, don't touch me because I'm dressed like this.

You know, still respect me because I'm dressed like a slut. But then, when they would leave, I'd be like, this is my responsibility. I brought them here. But no, I don't want them to go get hurt. But that was the whole damn point of the slut walk, where I'm not making a change.

There's nothing, I'm not making any change for any women right now. Because I really want them to go put on a blanket and walk home and go be safe and cover up.

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That's preborn.com slash Candace. It's actually, I actually wanna talk about the slut walk, and that's a great place because we can actually talk about your history and some of the judgment that was thrown at you. And I do wanna say this because I have tried to communicate this to people who just cannot understand why I have any sort of a semblance of a relationship with Tristan Tate and Andrew Tate, and they're very big. And I just get it. I think one of the things that happens a lot, and I always talk about Allie Stuckey, who's a Christian podcaster.

She's amazing, she's lovely. She's basically like what you want your daughter to be. Like. everything turned out right. She came from a stable family, two Christian parents.

She loves the Lord. And then you have someone like Andrew Tate and her and him maybe have said things about each other. But I always say to people, with the way that my life was, how my life started, I would have never listened to Allie Stuckey. I would have never, in a million years, listened to an Allie Stuckey podcast before I listened to an Andrew Tate podcast. Do you get what I mean?

Because it wasn't, which I'm saying this quite ironically, it wasn't relatable. That's the name of her podcast. It wasn't relatable because I'm like, okay, you're a girl. I hope one day that I could raise kids like that. But I'm gonna listen to someone who I just feel understands things that I've lived through.

You know what I mean? And it's not easy to be guided down the right path or to end up at faith immediately. And I think that's why an entire generation of kids who didn't grow up with two parents in the home would rather listen to an Andrew Tate. And the conservative movement does not always understand that. And I think that that's not a good thing.

And that's why I loved when I heard you just say what you believe, because I'm like, if that, because I believed that you believed it. And I'm like, great. Now we invite her in and talk to her about where she's been and what made her wake up. So, starting with the slut walk, because I was frantically against the slut walk, talked about it many times in my old show.

My name is Lily Cade. I'm here today because just because I am a slut doesn't mean you can rape me. I am who I am.

I can do what I want now. I don't have to say I'm not a slut.

I was a late bloomer. My kids are 11 and four. I have friends that have like 25-year-olds. So I do think that sometimes that is an issue where you bully girls because you're insecure. or maybe she might like another boy or something like that.

So that was one piece in there, if I'm not mistaken, where the girl said that, but then she said dick or vag or whatever, who cares? or something like that. That's the only thing I still do agree with, but the other stuff, I just... And you know what, Candace, too? Listen, when it comes to sex workers, I'm still for sex workers.

And when I say that, I mean that I understand. it's not easy to just say, stop. Don't do this anymore. You're better than this, right? We can all say that all day, but there has to be a solution for why they should stop, you know, or maybe the money that they did make through sex work or the umbrella of sex work, like stripping and stuff, which is not actually sex, and create businesses for themselves or something like that, you know?

So I have empathy for women like that, because I was that girl. I never, my dreams and aspirations in life were not to be a dancer,

but I grew up poor and my mom had mental health issues and we were homeless when I was really young and my neighborhood was drug dealers and strippers, you know? So that was my lifelong dream. And then, when I became famous, everyone just pointed the finger at me and was like, you used to be a stripper. We remember you, you know? And then that made like the whole internet and stuff.

And then I had to just live with that. And over time, I embraced it with my slut walk, because it was the only way to survive. I was like in survival mode, because initially I'm like, hey guys, I grew up poor, and they're like, shut up. You were a stripper, shut up, you know? So I'm like, okay, well, no one cares why.

So what else is there left for me to do? I have to just own it, which I think is what Cardi B does often. She has to own it and act like she, we all have to act like we love it.

My beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy is about me. That's also another misconception. That's about his ex-fiance. So I got booked for a job and then we fell in love and we were together for like two years.

And it was a good time, and it was a great time in pop culture. And we really did have a lot of fun for a long time. But yes, he did not meet me in the strip club. So when me and him started to get to know each other, I was like, hey, I just want to be honest, because I could tell that we had feelings for each other. I am actually a dancer back in the Bronx.

I lived in the Bronx at the time. Funny, me and Cardi worked at the same spot, just different times, since I'm older than her. Oh.

And he was like, I don't care. I just want to be with you. I don't even care that you were a dancer. That doesn't even bother me, you know? And he was really great about it.

He just really didn't care, because I felt like he just knew my heart. He knew who I was as a person.

So yeah, so go ahead. But that's how it all started.

But he didn't meet me there. He met me because I booked his music video.

And I'm glad you actually brought up Cardi B, because so much in the media has made it seem like I am an enemy of Cardi B. And I feel like I'm actually the only person that ever believed in Cardi B and who truly believed in her, meaning that she could break out of this stripper stereotype. So I was introduced to her because my cousin like made me watch Love & Hip Hop and she was a star. There's no question about it. I had never watched Love & Hip Hop in my life, her and Ray J.

I just thought they were both like very entertaining in this way. And what was so enjoyable about her was she was very self-deprecating. She was just like, I wanna work hard and I'm gonna make it and I believe in myself. But she would, kind of, you know, point to the things that weren't right about herself in the same way and that it was very endearing. And then she kind of makes it when everyone's telling her she's not going to and she makes some music.

And I can't remember what her, was. it Bodak Yellow that went viral for the first time? And suddenly she's in Hollywood and she's got tons of followers because people liked her personality. But then I felt like, okay, now she's gonna move on from the stripper stereotype. She doesn't have to be that anymore.

Like her, music is boppy, the people love her, not because she's a stripper. And actually what I felt the industry did was they tried to turn her into like the ultimate stripper. They were like, no, you're still, you have to be the stripper.

I'm gonna speak at the RNC. I'm gonna speak at my, on my Instagram. I'm gonna say how I feel about things and I'm not gonna hold back anymore, because the industry does do that to women, especially women that come from nothing, like somebody like me and Cardi B. They intimidate you with the fact that you'll eventually be back there with nothing. And that's how it's been for the 15 years that I've been famous.

And so it's like, you have to do this. You have to twerk on Instagram. You have to go viral.

The more followers you get, the more endorsement deals you get, which in turn gives you more money to support your family.

Oh, she just went viral doing that. So now you gotta do something, raise the bar and do something else. And so it becomes an intimidation tactic where you feel anxiety that it may be over for you in a second. And so even when me and Kanye broke up, I'll never forget it. I mean, obviously so many years ago, but they were like, you're 15 minutes is up.

It's over for you. It's done. You're never gonna work in Hollywood again. This is like the internet and just people.

I couldn't get a publicist. Nobody wanted to work with me. And I was like, maybe they're right, but I just persevered and I managed myself for a few years. And I just, I did it by myself. And that first year, I made my first million dollars in 2011 by myself.

And so, but even then it's like, you go this way a little bit and you're happy and just like finally getting out of this bull. And then it's like, hey, do you want, I don't know, a million dollars to sign up to OnlyFans? There's a pandemic, everyone might die. You know, you can't really work and travel anywhere unless you wanna get a vaccine. So this is what you want?

Everyone, go get the Muvva coin. But I still fell into it, Candace, because I was telling my team, like, guys, they're like, well, Iggy Azalea's coin was doing really good and she has her hands on her ass and she's spreading her ass cheeks. And you gotta at least do a bikini picture with maybe like the Make America Great hat. And you wanna make money? You want your coin to go up?

And so I'm like, fine, let me just go in the backyard by the pool and just do it. So I still battle with those things, Candace. And I don't wanna get beat up by the Republicans. I'm already getting beat up enough by the left.

And when I spoke to you, I was like, no, she means what she says and she's going through this metamorphosis. And it's painful. Like it is really painful to come out of that cocoon, especially, I would imagine it's 10 times worse for you, because your cocoon is Hollywood.

They wouldn't give me a chance, you know? Because they just didn't know me. And I get it. I'm not upset.

But they're like, no, this is it. This is what you're, and, you know, I have a family. And so when I went out on a ledge and I posted the picture with me, Trump, and Melania,

that was my moment where I was like, I'm done. Like, I'm done.

He's just such a great person. But I went to him and I was just like, I feel like I'm living a lie. And I feel, and it's so much more than Trump. But just me as a person, I was just like, I'm so unhappy. You know, I'm starting to hate everyone.

And I was never like that. I was always full of love, you know?

And I just wanna be me and I don't know how to be me. I don't know, I don't give a shit, but I don't know how to just like bungee jump. Like once I bungee jump, I'm good. Like once I do it, or like jump out the airplane, I'm done. You know, and I can forever do that.

And I told him that I wanted to post the picture. He's like, Amber, post that shit.

And I was like, yeah, I'm kind of really into it, you know? And he's like, man, do that shit. And he put a battery in my back and I was like, all right, I'm gonna do it. And out of 50,000 comments, I didn't leave one comment under my homepage. I just let everybody just argue with each other, like just go crazy on each other, because I said what I said.

I can't think of the name of the song.

That idea came to him from the movie 300, one of the people that was involved in that told me that. And it was all about, I mean, that whole song, he's like FSNL and the whole cast. He's basically saying goodbye to Hollywood. I'm gonna be myself. And I listened to it over and over because I knew I was just gonna be bullied every day.

People were gonna call me an Uncle, Tom, a coon. But I had listened to so much of Kanye's Power that I just did not care. I was blacking out on Kanye's music. And you do, it has to be that battery pack. You have to have either the voice within yourself or behind you to be like, listen, you know what's worse?

It is so much worse to live a life and not be yourself. That is a kind of a death, you know?

I just could not take it anymore. Just living in a lie. And if you look at my record, I don't really, I don't argue with people online. I have two arguments online out of 15 years of people just going in on me, you know? And so it does take a toll after a while, because you just wanna scream from the rooftops, like, guys, you don't know me at all.

You don't know where I come from. But a part of me, and I don't know what that is inside of me. that is just like, well, fuck you. I don't, you don't like me? I don't even wanna explain to you why.

Like, I don't even wanna tell you, like, no, like me, because this is why this is like this. You know what I'm saying? I'd rather just be like, well, just unfollow me then. Or talk, I don't even care, because people that actually know me love me. And I'm okay with that.

Like, you're basically lying all the time. You're someone that you're not. And so when you're able to just be yourself and just face the consequences of whatever that means to just literally be yourself, you get to start rebuilding the blocks in your life. And you get to decide like, okay, this is now a real friend, because I'm being me and they wanna be my friend. Like, I'm not pretending to be something because I want magazine covers.

I'm not pretending to be someone. I'm not because I'm trying to make money. And I think that is, and I know that you're not on your journey. I think you will get there eventually. But what brought me back to faith is like, all of that wisdom is in the Bible.

Like when it says like, you can't serve both money and God, right? And I think that what's happened a lot in LA is people are serving money because there, of course, is an anxiety that comes from like, well, what am I gonna do if I'm not doing this? And it makes it harder and harder as those wheels keep spinning and you're just, the whole industry's around you and everything that you're getting offered is in the industry.

Most people were really, really great to me and they were really nice, and I appreciate them very much. But I really did, I took a gamble by doing that, but that was better than how I was living before. So that's just how I felt. I mean, I took the risk and I guess it worked. but even if it didn't, it still would have been better than before.

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And I wanted to, because we talked about Cardi B, and she sometimes has this break online and she's crying and I can't explain to you, like my heart, I just wanna hug her when I hear it. But there's this tape that's out there of her having one of these moments again where she's talking about demons and I want you to hear it. This is kind of why I didn't want her to do this song, Shake It, or like any drill songs, because it's like these songs are activating, like these demons that I killed. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't wanna be that girl anymore.

Like, I just wanna be a mother, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't wanna be that old Cardi anymore. I'm not kidding when I say that, like it makes me wanna cry, hearing her say that.

And I'm like, that's me all day, every day. She's done, Ellen, she's done all these like late night talk shows, and I've seen them. They're like, so you were a stripper? She's like, I'm an international superstar, you know? And like, that's the first thing they go to.

They do the same exact thing to me. And I can tell in her voice, I've been there, yo. I promise you, I've been there so many times. And once I set myself free and now I'm just able to just be who I wanna be, whatever that is, even moving forward, she'll eventually get there. But she needs to get, she needs a clean house with her entire team, fire.

all those motherfuckers, get brand new people in, period. People that are not gonna intimidate her, that it's gonna be over for her if she doesn't clap her ass on Instagram. I've been there, they've done that to me for years. Like Cardi, if you are listening, like you are special and you don't have to do this. If you wanna be a mom, you can still be a mom and you can still be a rapper.

You don't have to be a porn rapper, you don't. And I hear the stuff that she says it and I had a slut walk, I get it. I lived it, we've done the same thing, you know?

When I was watching Crown Love and Hip Hop, I didn't care about the fact that she was a stripper. She was a star because she's a star and I feel no one in her circle is telling her that. You do not have to do this at all, because you will still have fans because you're talented.

It's really, it's. the easiest thing you can do is really just be yourself. Because right now in Hollywood, we're all being someone else. We are our personas, and it's crazy, because when people actually get to know me as a person, they're like, wow, you are really nerdy. You're nothing, you're not hypersexual at all, and I'm very traditional in a lot of ways, you know?

But life has dealt a hand sometimes, you know? And that's just how it is. But yeah, if you're just gonna be yourself, it's just the best way to go, whatever that is.

But, funny enough, I get on Twitter. I'm not on Twitter as much as I am on Instagram, which is why I have more followers on Instagram. But I go on Twitter and I'm just like, you know, the RNC just happened and I'm like, let me see if anyone's arguing on Twitter. And I saw that people were like, oh, she has the OnlyFans and she's available right now to talk. And I'm like, no, I don't.

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I'm not going on OnlyFans to see if my account is up there. And what's crazy is actually in my bio, and I have several links in my bio, but you have to click a certain link to go to the OnlyFans link. And I'm my own person, so I don't click my own bio.

And it made me very upset, but I also didn't fire her because I was like, I know she was just trying to, I have a lot of different streams of revenue that go into my accounts and stuff like that. And I know she was trying to look out, but I'm like, don't ever do that to me again. When I say it's over, it's over.

but he said so much to me that I couldn't even comprehend a couple of years ago about what's going on in Hollywood. And I think that he senses the demonism and I think he really wanted out. I think everyone was like, what's he doing? He's blowing up his life. I was like, no, I think he literally wants to blow up his life.

He doesn't want a pathway back to Hollywood because he has seen it up close and he thinks that a lot of elements of it are demonic. And the more that you speak to people in the industry, like hearing you say that there's this pressure, like if you want a book, this is what you have to do. Here's what you have to do. It does make you wonder why it gotta be like this. You know what I mean?

It literally doesn't have to be like this.

So I wouldn't do that, but that's how Hollywood is. It's like, oh, you're not with so-and-so anymore. You wanna write a book, you know? And I was like, bro, I'll never go out like that. Hell, no.

No matter what, I won't do that. But that's how it is. That's how it is in Hollywood, for sure.

And they kind of like, I would say, Kim kind of became the queen of Instagram in many ways. And people wanted to start embodying that and holding that up as a form of idolatry. Like, this is what we should be. Like, women should be sexy all the time. And at the same time, you had other movements that were taking place in different ways, like this modern feminism that I hate so much.

Because I think that it operates, it tries to sell itself as freedom, right? We're doing this because we're free. But in reality, women are enslaved by it, because it then becomes the only contribution that you have. Like, if you want to be heard, you need to take your clothes off. Like, if you want people to listen to you, you need to take your clothes off.

And I'm like, that is bondage. That is not, that's not actually freedom.

And it's something that a lot of women in the industry are still living with. So I hope that they, I don't know, maybe see our interview together, and they just say, you know what? Let me just be myself, whatever that is, instead of falling into Hollywood.

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I said, I crossed with one woman who said that she can sleep with 12 men in one night, and how much money she makes, how much money she makes. And I looked at her, and I just thought, I said I was gonna pray for her. Like, literally, I'm going to pray for you, because I know that what you are saying is not true, but you need to say it so that you have, so you can keep doing it, you know?

The guy's gonna be like, I'm never paying this girl any money ever again. So you have to go on those podcasts, essentially, and say, yeah, you know, I had sex with 12 guys, and like, you know, maybe the guys are like cucks that give them money, you know? And they like to hear things like that, and they're like, oh, you said what I wanted you to say on the Whatever podcast. Now I'm gonna send you $1,500.. That's how those things work.

I will tell you, doing SlutWalk and talking to a lot of women and sex workers,

99% of sex workers do not wanna be sex workers. And that's porn, prostitution, stripping, OnlyFans, all of the above. They don't wanna do it. And I'll leave the 1% for girls that wanna argue with me online about how much they love porn or whatever. I've talked to thousands of girls throughout the years.

Nobody wants to do that. But the problem is, is that, like we were saying upstairs, the feminism turned women masculine, men beta, and now what happened is, is that these girls have masculine energy, and the guys are still beta, and the guys also tell the girls, no one's ever gonna marry you. You're damaged goods. There's no redemption. You're never gonna figure this out.

You might as well just give up on life. And so that doesn't actually help the girls either say, they're just like, well, I might as well just stay in it. No one's ever gonna love me anyway. And so it's a vicious cycle, and that's why people getting married, like marriage rates are down and divorce is up, and we just can't get along with each other.

I mean, I'm as right as I could possibly be on a lot of the issues, because it was like peeling back an onion. I was like, this isn't true. And then I was like, oh wait, this isn't true. And this is how feminism plays into this, and plays into this, and this is how this plays into this. And then finally, I just was like, I am a Christian.

that's like Bible-based, and because the Bible always had the answers I was looking for. But I wanna talk about some things that we disagree with, because I want people to know that this isn't an act. Like. this is not an act. You've said what you believe, and it's not like you're checking boxes and just saying stuff that you would expect a Christian conservative Republican to say.

We disagree on trans stuff, I think. Do we? I don't know.

He was like 13 or whatever. And I was surrounded by actual trans people. Now, back in that day, which is the 90s, 2000s,

let's say, a trans girl would get an attitude with me. The other trans girls that were my friends would be like, bitch, you're a man. Don't do that to Amber. Like, you're a man, I'm a man. Me, you can fight, but you're not gonna touch her.

So those are the trans women that I'm used to being around, that I grew up with, right? And it was kind of shady to call, like a trans girl, a man, but they would do that. So here's the thing. Am I for a gender-affirming care for children? Absolutely not.

I think we share that same sentiment.

Am I for a gender-affirming care for consenting adults? Absolutely. Now, do I think that a lot of people on TikTok and Instagram are actual trans people? A lot of them are not. They're cosplaying and they wanna be a part of a community.

They want attention. Are trans people real? Yes, they're very much real. And I think that those other people give the trans community a bad name because they really just, and I'm sure, Candace, that you've been in the bathroom with trans people probably plenty of times, just didn't even know, because they just went to the bathroom and no one cared, and they washed their hands and they left. The problem is is that there's literally grown biological men with mustaches and beards, with shaving in the women's locker room, not even remotely close to transitioning into a trans woman.

And they make women feel uncomfortable in women's spaces. I'm not for that at all. But I think someone like Danielle, for an example, that's very far in her transition,

and she has a full sex change, by the way, I think she understands that she is a biological male. But for me, I would call her she-her. I would just do that because she looks like a girl and she's so far into her transition with the breasts and the softness and the face that I wouldn't be disrespectful. Although I think she does understand that she is a biological male. So that's where I'm at.

And I'm also for gay marriage. I think the more love that we have, especially in America, because it's really, the happier we would all be. So I think that, and a lot of white gay male couples adopt a lot of young black children that grow up in foster care because they would say the black boys are last to be picked. I'm a mother of two black boys. And my father was also in foster care for most of his life.

And I think that it gives these kids an opportunity to go to a good school and have a good life, even if it is two dads.

Because they're not children.

And he had the bottom surgery and he was like,

Trans women are not women. They're not real women, but they are trans women. And I'm okay with that term, but they are not, or ever gonna be, biological women.

When you think about transgenderism, they're editing their parts in a way they will never be able to have productive families. Gay marriage is obviously not a nuclear family. You cannot have children the natural way. Feminism is poisoning women's perspectives. I'm mad.

But I just think that there's this purposeful attack on just that normal family structure, because when you have a normal family structure, you have virtually every advantage in life.

I'm like, okay, if a guy wants to go be a guy, that's what I mean about intentionally perverting stuff, because I'm just like, what is the problem? My boy is so different from my girl. You have, do you have both sexes, boy and a girl? I have two boys. Two boys.

Okay, so you know how they are. They are like.

I'm totally.

And I was going, what is wrong with Hollywood? Like, why can't they, why is there almost like a, I feel like there's a hatred for normal. Like there's just a hatred for it. And I think it's part of the school and the education system sort of teaching us that there is something wrong with normal. And that's what I was saying to you about.

when you grow up, you have this perception of like the South, as being backwards and racist, and people that love the Bible and like go to church. And like what we should all aspire to be is like New York and LA, and they're shipping their lattes and they're progressive. But I've now gotten to a point where I've realized that it's actually the opposite. And the people in the South that are being lied about and the people that you met and that you're talking about at the RNC, where you're hearing their stories, they're like the salt of the earth. Like they are.

And so I've never really seen white people like that. That type of white people.

And so we're all kind of in the same boat as far as that goes.

My team, again, will make fun of me, cause I'm a vibe girl.

And he realized, and he's so well-positioned to speak about it because he came from Hollywood and he was an addict. And they loved him when he was an addict. And then he cleaned up his life. Yeah, and then he cleaned up his life, got married, had kids, and started speaking about Jesus Christ. And they're like, get the heck out of here, we will ruin you.

And I just feel it for you. I think that everything you went through, God wanted you to go through, that. He wanted you to believe that he wasn't there. He wanted you to question whether or not any of it's real. And now it's because you're going to be such a voice for all of the young women that are watching this, who are on OnlyFans, who are giving themselves, who are crying at night, who are drinking, to be able to go through with prostituting their bodies.

Like a lot of these OnlyFan girls who also moonlight and they prostitute. And they feel that they can never be anything else. And I think you are set up to be something else, so that they know that it's possible. I genuinely believe that.

Some type of nonprofit, something to help something. I wanna figure it out. I have to figure it out. Maybe I could work with something that's already available, so I don't have to start anything by myself again. But it has to be done in a certain way.

So we'll see.

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And, like I said, I feel like I'm gonna see you in four years and you're gonna be like, I'm a Christian, read my Bible. You're saying no, but I'm telling you, when the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit's already within you, you just don't see it. And if someone had said to me when I had first, I was always, I was like, yeah, I'm a Christian, but it's different now. Like I'm on, I'm like on fire for the Lord. I really am.

And I- You know what?

But I don't believe in God. I just don't. And I don't know if I can go back to that, because on my journey to atheism, a lot of time was mostly just my mom saying, just scaring the living out of me when it comes to God and demons. And being a kid and saying, we got generational demons on our bag. This whole family, we got generational demons.

I'm like, dude, I don't want a demon on my back. I don't want a demon around me. Like, I don't have demons. You can have demons. My aunt can have demons.

My uncle can have demons. I don't have demons. And that for me was far too much as a child, which in turn made me an atheist. It's just too much for me, Candace.

And you, like. I said, I remember feeling like that. And when I was like, well, God was real. He wouldn't allow this to happen to me. He wouldn't allow this to happen to me.

And then, when I opened myself up and realized, I'm like, he put me in that scenario because he knew that I would be able to speak on this. He wanted me to go through this negative and this negative because he knew that this was the ultimate equation. And he's the great mathematician. And he was like, you need a plus here, a minus here, a minus here, a minus here. And so when you're hitting and you're seeing all these negatives in your life, you're just like, well, God can't be real.

because why would he do that? And then, when you let go and let God.

Something like, something like, you know, aliens from another planet, like created us.

I understand, like there are cameras everywhere. And now, if I mess up, it's going to be a headline. And I had to deal with that and go, listen, I'm not going to get it perfect. And I pray for grace. I ask people publicly for grace.

And I'm asking people that are listening to this to just give her some grace, you know, give her some space. It took a lot for her to say even one true thing. And I hope you guys watching this, that you've heard her heart in the way, that I heard it on the phone and realized this is a real person and she does not have it all figured out right now. And she may never have it all figured out, because I don't have it all figured out right now, but it's all about whether or not you are willing and brave enough to change your mind and evolve when you realize that you've gotten something wrong. For sure.

So, Amber, we are all praying for you and I'll see you back here.

Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. This was fun.