Harris Surges, Vance Sinks (feat. Gov. Tim Walz)

with just under 100 days to go in the 2024 campaign. We are sub 100, boys. VP shortlister Governor Tim Walz stops by to talk about going after the weirdos and his theory of progressive messaging. And of course, we're going to get into why the J.D. Vance debut has been such a disaster.

But first, Donald Trump is clearly upset. he's not running against Joe Biden anymore. He's still out on the campaign trail, doing impressions of the president and talking about his golf game really focused. He's begun to pivot to attacking Kamala Harris. But so far, it's a bit of a kitchen sink approach.

Here's a sampling of comments he's made over the past couple of days. She doesn't like.

I'm running against a low IQ individual. Her. I'm not even talking about him, her. I got a low IQ individual. And now that she's in this position, they're trying to make her into a let's say Margaret Thatcher.

I don't think so. It's not going to happen. Margaret Thatcher didn't laugh like that, did she? Did she? We're not going to let her turn the United States into communist San Francisco.

Again, she has no clue. She has no clue. She's evil. I want to be nice. They all say, I think he's changed.

I think he's changed since two weeks ago. Something affected him. No, I haven't changed. Maybe I've gotten worse, actually, because I get angry.

Maybe I've gotten worse.

Tommy, why do you think Trump doesn't have a tighter?

And you're right. I watched the Minnesota rally. He went back to attacking Joe Biden, I think four or five times. We were making fun of him for walking around. We're making fun of her pointing the golf game, like all of it.

I mean, I guess.

Jesus, fucking Christ. This guy never shuts up. That's a short one, but it was about 20.. Right. But, but in that speech, he's at the beginning, he's cast around, he's talking about the assassination attempt of being talking about bullet versus fragment.

He's kind of rambling. He's doing random attacks here and there. But then, towards the end of the speech, there's a more tighter policy, based hit on Kamala Harris. And you can see, Oh, that's where the campaign wants him to be. But he's still doing what Tommy's saying, which is just, like, you know, trying out new.

What's your sense, just listening to these events and just overall, how far along the entire campaign is in pivoting to Harris. They do have a lot of these attacks in ads.

Like that, that, I think they're all in that, in that place. But it does seem like they're focusing on just calling her a San Francisco radical liberal, which is kind of the oldest Republican playbook out there.

is the, are we seeing the last bits of the campaign as it was envisioned before Joe Biden stepped aside? I don't know. Also, like going to things, like, he's still doing things that reflect a campaign that was in a much more confident position. Like, you know, going to the crypto conference, like these are gilding the lily type places to go. So I think my question is like, does, does his travel change to some, to, to, to, I don't know, other States.

But I think at some point there's a danger there for them if they just do that the whole time,

Like our, in the go all the way back, like the concerns about Joe Biden in the primary in 2020 was that once he faced the same onslaught as everybody else, his favorabilities and the poll numbers would drop the same way others would, but that didn't happen, right? That was his, that was his strength. I think. the energy, the enthusiasm, the fact that so much of the country is saying they want new and normal, they're trying in this very quickly to try to make her seem not new and not normal, but to try to get to the point where people don't hear her when she lays out the actual plans back and forth, because we know that if the election is fought on those stakes, Kamala Harris will win. I just, I just don't think they have time.

I just don't think they have time to, to, to like, so damage her while she is out there, making this forward looking case, right? They're just not,

I also think, well, I also think he realized, you notice, at the end of that, he said, well, I'm worse because you know what? I'm angry. I'm angry. He realizes that anger is way more important to his pitch than unity. Like he needs to seem like the angry outsider who's mad at the system and wants to tear it down.

He can't be all like, let's come together. That's just not, people will know. that's not who he is. And that's not his message, you know?

You need me to be your vengeance. I need to be greedy for you. I need to be mean for you. You need me to be that.

Who's like in 2016,. I did a hardcore scorched earth base only strategy and I won, and no one can tell me otherwise. And I'm going to do what I know is right.

Here's some of what he said.

You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years. You know what? It'll be fixed. It'll be fine.

You won't have to vote anymore. My beautiful Christian.

You wouldn't have to vote so hard. All of you wouldn't, if the system weren't rigged and they weren't faking the election results. So if you vote this time and I win, I'll stop all the electoral fraud. And then you don't have to vote as much. That is the generous interpretation of it.

But do I think he also enjoys that this sets off a round of? he's going to be a dictator on day one? Like, do? I think he is being like vague and anti-democratic and trolling on purpose? Absolutely.

And, by the way, what he is saying is obviously false. They're trying to make it harder for people to vote. They're trying to disenfranchise people. Uh, so I see nothing wrong with pointing out that what he is saying here is about the ways in which he poses a threat to democracy, even if it's, I think, a little different than what the more extreme version of interpretation. That's my, that's my take.

Tommy? That's a good, strong take.

I imagine he was just kind of making a joke. That doesn't mean he's not a threat to democracy. And so I thought, you know, I thought some of the reaction was a bit, a bit high. dodging over the weekend. Um, I saw a bunch of Twitter users screaming at Kate Bedingfield, who is Joe Biden's communications director, and calling her a fascist and a Trump supporter because she had a more, uh, you know, not charitable, but she sort of thought he was, was not signaling that he was going to end democracy as we know it.

You know, this is a woman who moved her family and small kids to a city to work for Joe Biden to try to defeat Donald Trump. I think, you know, maybe pump the brakes on attacking the modems of everyone who disagrees with you on this subject, but yeah, Donald Trump's a threat to democracy.

That's, that's just true. And there's no evidence that he's changed in any way. In fact, as he acknowledged, he's gotten worse. So, like we don't, you don't need to put more spin on the ball than that, right? Like, that's, that's who he is.

That's what he said last time. I kind of landed where you did tell me that it's, he doesn't care. Right. And for it's, it's so. it fits well with the Biden campaign's message.

And now the Harris campaign's message that Trump doesn't give a shit about anyone, but himself, right? He's saying everything to anyone that he needs to just to win right now. And then he's like, in four years, I'll fix everything. And you have to worry about me. He doesn't give a shit.

what happens in politics after four years. He doesn't give a shit about anyone, but himself, right? He just wants to win. That's all he cares about right now. And like what happens when he wins anything's on the table, right?

Like after what we saw fucking last time. But I think that's where.

Of course. But I like, again, like this is just loose Trump having just kind of going back to his back catalog of riffs. And like, this is a riff, like, like there isn't just a collective, like he does. all these things before. Like the people are like, oh my God, he said, uh, thin people don't drink Diet Coke.

He's been doing that bit for years. This is a bit he's done before. He's saying I'll fix it. They steal elections. I'll fix it so that you don't have to worry about it anymore.

Like that, that, I think, is like the riff. that is the bit he was.

And so Trump wants that money. You know, he knows they spent 10 million against Katie Porter, uh, in the center race here in California, and he wants to get all their cash. Also, I think the Trump campaign rightly views crypto as a way to reach young men, um, who might not otherwise care about politics. Some of them are at this convention. Some of them just care about crypto and don't want to be regulated.

So that's why Trump flip flopped his position on crypto. He left office and he was like, crypto sucks. I don't think it's a good idea. And now he's full on pro crypto because, like, you know, some VC guys in San Francisco had a fundraiser for him. Not unlike what he did.

He asked Trump, um, explain the blockchain. Yeah. Uh, tell me about the blockchain. I'd like any.

That's that, that is always on his mind. There's so many opportunities for corruption and all this. Well, and even if he doesn't decide to like stay.

Vance also said that people without children should pay higher taxes. It's gotten so bad that even right-wing media types are starting to wince. Here's former Republican congressman, Fox news host, Trey Gowdy, interviewing him on Sunday night.

Of course not, Trey. I do think that being a prepared parent actually has a profound effect on somebody's perspective, and we should honor and respect that. But there are a whole host of people who don't have children for a whole host of reasons, and they certainly are great people who can participate fully in the life of this country. And that's not what I said, Trey. If you look at what the left has done, they have radically taken this out of context and in fact, aggressively lied about what I've said.

Vance is sitting in a studio somewhere. He's got his fucking ear thing and listening to a full five minutes, ripping him to pieces on Fox news. And the question comes, he's like, J.D. Vance, tell me where I'm wrong. You seem like a huge asshole.

It was really, really unbelievable. What do you think about this? I just, I think this.

Like that is such a cool, he said.

He's already said that. He also then said he's sympathetic to the idea that federal agents should be able to track down women who travel out of state to get abortions because it is banned where they live. So he wants a federal response to women who leave a state with an abortion ban and try to get an abortion out of state. This is all like,

And it is a kind of combination of, uh, like, uh, of, of right wing, um, you know, Christian judgmental, uh, um, policymaking on top of a kind of like patriarchal idea of like what the family should be, like what people should do, like who, like what's the right way to live, telling people how to live. And once it gets just a little bit of light in there, everyone's like, what the fuck are you people talking about?

Exactly. It's totally.

People who never heard of them. Yeah. And these, like those guys are, are happy to debate some very out there political ideas because they don't have any consequences, because they're not running for anything. But JD Vance kind of like dabbles in that and he leaves this long paper and audio trail. And you got to wonder like, how much of this did the Trump campaign find or vet?

that's stuck in the Senate, where JD Vance works right now, because Republicans did not want to give Joe Biden and Kamala Harris a, an election year win on the issue. This passed the house. Overwhelmingly Republicans and Democrats, it got to the Senate and they were like, Oh, it's April. It's spring. It's getting too close to the election.

We want to get those. So they care about, they care about rewarding families with kids and giving families with kids a break, so much that they just like, stuck this thing that they're for in the Senate because they didn't want it. Same thing with the fucking immigration deal. It's just.

And it kind of just gets to this like kind of worldview about, like the left, that he's kind of unable to stop himself.

And, like Fox and friends, Brian Kilmeade was saying it too. They, just, they, can't seem to fix it. So it seems to me like they're just going to attack Harris, wait for the next news cycle, hope it all moves on. But man, like this guy is getting defined. JD Vance is getting defined in this first couple of weeks, and it's entirely negative.

And we're not even having a conversation about how he's manifestly unqualified for the job. And the fact that it got to the.

You know, it's coming, right? Like I'm, I'm shocked that we haven't gotten some.

We got to get this guy on the stump. He's doing a bad job on the stump. Like the, the fact that his convention speech was so disappointing. The, the rally speeches he's been giving, they are plodding, not very well done, not very, he's just not that great. He moves too slow.

So, like what you would say is just get this guy out there, get him with a 10, 15 minute tight, good stump, with a few new sharp hits on Kamala Harris or whoever the VP pick is. But man, like I, just, it's hard for this guy to, to, to, to run from this when he's just so unappealing in every setting. He's also.

how, you know, president Biden, Kamala Harris overlooked Ohio and Michigan and Wisconsin, and look at all these, like, but it's not going to get any attention because he's written all these things and sell these things in the past that just make them fucking weird. He's a weirdo. He's a weirdo.

Let's talk about our democratic nominee, vice president Kamala Harris. On Monday, she endorsed president Biden's brand new proposal for Supreme court reform, which includes 18 year term limits for justices, an enforceable ethics code and a constitutional amendment that would strip away criminal immunity for former presidents. The Harris campaign also needled the Trump campaign over their refusal to commit to the debate they had already agreed to. And the campaign put out a statement saying, Harris will be at the ABC debate on September 10th, whether or not Trump is there. Clearly, the energy and enthusiasm for Harris is unlike anything we've seen in politics for a very long time, which is great.

They've raised over $200 million. They're reportedly going up on the air this week and Harris will be on the campaign trail in Atlanta Tuesday for the first time since she was in Milwaukee last week. What's your sense of how the overall strategy is coming together?

Now, both she and Biden are talking about this court reform, stuff that I love, because who doesn't support an 18-year?

You have the best position for the general election, but it's smart to do that quickly. Just rip that Band-Aid off.

How do we make most of that enthusiasm in this moment? Not just with fundraising, but we were talking about this before we recorded, but just that all of a sudden there's all these people on places like TikTok, talking about how, hey, we may not agree with her and everything. And yeah, she may be walking back some of these positions, but we're all coming together to do this in November. We can protest in January. We can be frustrated, but anybody that's not getting on board this train right now is not understanding the stakes.

What is the vibe shift worth? I don't think we know yet, but it's just been so reassuring to even see that change.

That's why you're not on the road. You're not taking a vacation. You're sitting there with strategists. You road test a stump speech, and then you refine the stump speech. That takes, for Obama, that took us between, I don't know, February of 2007 to October to get it right.

It's mind boggling. So it's, I do think, on the Supreme Court reforms, those are great. People should just know that it is very unlikely to happen without 60 votes in the Senate or a Democratic House or 51 senators who are willing to get rid of the filibuster for these reforms. I do think the constitutional amendment to get rid of criminal immunity for former presidents, which is now there, thanks to the Supreme Court, is... I mean, constitutional amendments are...

The bar is so high. It's two-thirds of both houses of Congress. It's three-fourths of the state legislatures. But good for Joe Biden for laying down this marker, which he had said he was going to do before he left the race. And good for Kamala Harris to lay down the marker because filibuster reform started years ago when we only had a few senators saying they were willing to do it.

And now it's like everyone, but Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema. So that's what you do. Back to the point about enthusiasm and donations, how much do you think that matters right now? I think the money and the

And that's the truth. She's the vice president, but a lot of people won't know much about her. So getting ahead of these.

Like, yes, there are people out there auditioning to be vice president, you're gonna hear from one in a minute. But I also just think there's been a kind of collective realization that all of us, I think, because of a feeling of like, concern, a feeling of anxiety, a feeling of, I don't know, being dispirited, like, all of us were collectively not fighting hard enough. And I think that that's incredibly valuable. And another point that Governor makes is just about, like, why are, why are we losing some of these disaffected people? Well, some part of it is that people just want to be part of a winning team, a team of people that are excited to be on that team.

And like that enthusiasm gap was real. There were people that are extremely excited for Donald Trump. And we just didn't have that on our side. And now we do. And like, we'll see what the ultimate value is.

But man, is it is it nice to see?

I don't think we're in that situation anymore, because now Democrats can actually focus on registering and turning out excited voters who otherwise may have stayed home. And having this many volunteers means you can have that many more conversations with people who, like, weren't going to vote for Kamala Harris, or weren't gonna vote for Donald Trump, maybe weren't going to vote at all. And now you can have more conversations. And they see that their friends are excited. And they're like, Oh, I want to hear more about that.

Like, it does build, I think, especially in a close race.

I think new language, like we've seen, has been doing that. I think having all these different VP candidates vying has been doing that. I think, as she's hitting the road, like, you know, we talked about, you know, one, what she's not been able to do. or she, like, you know, they're currently working on a convention speech without the like year of trying stuff, just trying different versions of riffs, trying different versions of attacks, trying different versions of lines. But the plus side of that, right, is every time she speaks and try something new, it is new, right?

Like it's a new, it's a new attack. It's a new take on Trump. It's a new way of of her campaigning. And I think that that's like a real, that's a.

And so, and she hasn't done any of that yet. And look, a lot of her policy will be similar to what Joe Biden has already proposed, but she's going to get to eat up some new cycles, propose it and get some attention proposing new policies. So she'll have that, she'll have the convention. And I do think to the point about needing new information, if she can pivot to, cause she's got to go on offense against Trump. She can pivot to talking about what Trump will do in the second term.

That's new information for voters. And I think that she, if she wants to make news about Trump, you know, you're going to have a better chance making news, talking about what he's planning, than talking about, like everything people know about, Trump already and his character and all.

And I think the calling Republicans weird narrative just perfectly folds into that. They are weird. Project 2025 is weird. Calling the Jan six insurrectionists hostages and playing their song is weird. QAnon is weird.

Bringing that.

Cause he's not going to have you vote anymore. Like that's because he's a scared of your vote. Like, would you be out there, kind of like trying to make news cycles out of the weird new things? you can kind of grab speech?

He's larger than life. He's still this kind of like New York character from the apprentice in some ways, but electing him empowers people like speaker, Mike Johnson, who sends his son a weekly update on his porn viewing to prevent masturbation. Yeah. That's a real thing that happens in this world. That's weird.

It's weird. No one wants that. No one wants that person to be empowered and part of this governing coalition.

And part of it is this conspiratorial nature. We've talked about this. Now you have J.D. Vance who, like everything about him, is project 2025, including all of the weird shit. And it just makes it easier to, I think, effectively communicate the stakes of the election and what's going to happen, because you're like Trump, whether he cares or not about this shit, J.D.

Vance is going to be the vice president and he's going to be sitting there implementing all the crazy project 2025 shit. Yeah. It's like, it's like the villain from the.

Got a pretty gross dude. Get that guy on the psychiatrist couch, you know, learn a lot of things. He's like, I'm having trouble concentrating because of the.

Uh, we should, we should pull out of this one.

Like the, like, the Trump act is just getting old. You see the.

He's boring. He's old. It's not like this, the, the Trump is senile thing that everyone's pushing around on Twitter. I don't think that people buy that as much. It's like the guy, it's just, we're so tired of this.

It's like the same, blah, blah, blah. Like you said, the same hits, the blah, blah, blah, blah. We're going to get the shark thing. We're going to get the Hannibal Lecter thing. And we're not like upset about it.

We're.

Um, someone in one of the focus groups, who's a swing voter, uh, Trump Biden, swing voter. He was like, you know, the problem with Trump is, it's just like, we know what we're going to get. It's just a rerun for four more years. And I'm like, yeah, someone should use that. That's a good line.

It is like a rerun. It is like a rerun. We're getting fucking celebrity apprentice reruns for another four years. And it's not new to us. Yeah.

That's my, that's, that's my thing. All right. Speaking of VP picks, when we come back from the break, you'll hear love, it's conversation with governor Tim walls. Before we get to that, though, a pitch from us. Look, when we, when we started doing this show, we wanted it to be a home for everyone who wanted to be part of a progressive conversation.

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I was coaching those.

Are they your Gen Z?

Um, social worker, but, uh, she's, she's in tune to it. I listened to her. Uh, I get her work ethic, the things she cares about. And look, these guys have been through a lot, quite seriously. You know, when they were kids, they went through the great recession, their COVID babies, you know, missed out on, on things there.

And then they're coming out of this and they're, they're seeing, you know, Trump bring back this horrific message and, and they're done with it. I think I'm feeling it. This is their first time to really feel a campaign that's.

Yes, it's my kids are influencing me. I got the other day, got asked him, I'm, you know, I'm horrible, progressive because our children eat breakfast and lunch in school. Uh, we just got to embrace the things that, that, uh, that make this country great, but no unseriousness on that one. And I'm friends with David Hogg. Uh, he, and I've talked about this, I think an evolution on this.

I grew up in, and I know this is, you know, a small towner, but I put my shotgun in my car at school or in the football locker to go pheasant hunting afterwards. That was a reality, but we weren't getting shot in school. We weren't, we didn't have, uh, you know, ARs in school. And so I said, it was for me, both a reckoning and an embarrassment. Uh, I was one of the people who took the meeting with 23 sets of parents from Sandy hook in my office.

And they thanked me for taking the meeting. Um, that that's a reckoning. And then, to just listen, their kids would have been my son's age at 17.. So, uh, I appreciate all the people who've worked on that and we're seeing that move. So there's reasons to be optimistic.

These kids have seen a lot, but they're, they're ready to end it. And, uh, boy, when you see the numbers flipping and how much they engaged in, and I don't, don't make light of tick tock, you know, in terms of really connecting, my daughter talks about that a lot. You, you, you avoid us at your peril of getting the message out. So, uh, one, one, uh, part of.

At the same time, we want to not allow that to build Trump up into some kind of a strong man figure, right? Because being strong, as Deville Clinton famously, being strong and wrong, is better than being right and weak. So how do you, how do you, how do you think about putting those things?

You have to have touch points. And the thing you're talking about is, is you lift this guy up. Yes, he's a threat to global democracy and global peace. In my opinion, I think your constitutional rights are under threat. That becomes almost overwhelming and it's not inspirational.

And I think taking them down to what this is, this, this weird thing, is not an insult. It's an observation. and people saying, well, governor Walz came up with this. No, people are telling me this. My Republican friends are telling me this because when you look at it this way, who's asking for some of this stuff, who's asking for healthcare to be taken away?

Who's asking for birth control to be taken away? Who, who's asking, you? picture some guys, you know, they always do the, Oh, the guy sitting in Racine, Wisconsin, in the bar, you know, what's really concerning them. I damn sure guarantee you, it's not banning animal farm. They're talking about, God, it's too damn expensive to pay for childcare, or I'd like to do this.

So I think the thing is that this spell and you listen to him, there's nothing there. And it opens up a huge space. If you can shrink him, shrink the message, and then really start to focus on it. Cause look, I say this all the time, those folks that were at that rally in St. Cloud, they're not going to vote for me, but I'm going to make sure they get healthcare.

I'm going to make sure the women who were at that rally are going to get access to birth control. And there were people there with signs that said Somalis for Trump. We're very proud of our immigrant population. We have a large Somali population here, but I'll be the guy making sure I'm pushing back on his Muslim ban or the denigrating words he used against that community. I think you get it to where people are listening.

And I want people to be very clear. I'm not talking about Republicans being weird. I'm talking about that dude. Just my point on this, he's making fun of Kamala Harris laughing. I got a bet out there and he'll never, he'll never collect on it.

He, he will not laugh in public. He's incapable of it. And that's just strange.

Picture that guy doing anything normal like that. No way, no way. And I think when people start thinking about this, my Republic, my family who are in this, they're concerned about taxes. Maybe, you know, what they don't want? They don't want the public schools cuts.

You can give a tax cut to the, to the wealthiest. They, there's a, there's a conservative mantra that has been taken over. And these, I'm just going to say it, these weird ideas of, you know, like JD Vance, the only, the only people that can vote and benefit are people with kids. And then their kids are going to get a vote or whatever, and we're going to do all this. It's, it's ludicrous.

And I think what's happened is the spell's been broken and now we need to step into it with some positive ideas.

I was that guy, man. I know the glass house I lived in, and you got this guy out here, wild, breaking the rules, saying this stuff, crazy, all this, it's attractive or whatever. I think what you're seeing now is we don't have to be like that, but we can give them something. That's why you see TikTok with a younger generation. You see, uh, you know, vice-president Harris, engaging, understanding, listening.

Look, I don't ever understand everything about Gen Z, but I, I love them. I guarantee you this dude doesn't. And, and the, and the Republicans, everything they're proposing is anti against them that this generation cares about their neighbors. They don't give a damn about race. They truly are much more inclusive.

Um, and they do care about climate change. So I think these young men are looking for something there. It's the Trump spectacle. Here's what I think is really getting him. Kamala Harris is becoming a phenomenon, and that's what he was.

And it's, and her politics are good and wrapped around that she is starting to gain. And you're going to see that it starts to shift. And the enthusiasm level amongst that age group is shifting hard, and they are gettable. They are gettable. If we bring them back, look, I, I coach these kids in football for years.

They want to be part of winners. I'll tell you the fastest way to get one that they don't want to be with losers. And, and, and that's my point with.

as governor, you signed an executive order, protecting the right to gender affirming care for trans kids. And you signed a bill outlawing book bands. My question is for being such a friend to the queer community, why don't you dress better?

And we got through that. And so, uh, yeah, I gotta do better on this, but I, you know, I'm, I'm trying.

Yeah, that's that toxic masculinity.

This is the thing, John, too. They're all the tough guys, that toxic masculinity. We used to have a trap shooting Congress five, you know, we'd go out and we would shoot 25 sporting clay, 25 ski, you know, 25 trap or whatever. I'd be top gun. I can shoot these guys.

So I'd ride back on the bus. How does it feel to get out shot every year by a liberal gun grabber? Most of these guys never been around guns. It's just like a persona. It's like they pick up that, look, you know, what I've been talking about, JD Vance, whatever.

That's not my small town. That's not where I was from. That's not how we talk. And I think part of it is, is letting them know it's okay. You're right about round cars.

I'm proud that I can do some things around a car, fix it or whatever, but there's a whole wonderful, you know, rainbow of things that people can do. But I do think you're right that it's targeting. They turn scapegoats into punchlines. You know, they make people scapegoats. Um, we need to embrace, and that's what we've done, and it's okay.

But that toxic.

We're the ones that are there for universal pre-K. We're the ones that are providing school meals at this. I'm not going to back down one bit on this whole family values thing, and it's us that, that construct that he's putting out there is absolutely untrue. We're making it more affordable to have children by having paid family medical leave so that you can go home when your kids are sick and take care of them. Or, if you're a dad, I don't have to go right back to work five days later after my wife had a C-section because our insurance wouldn't pay for it.

We're boosting those things up. There's nothing pro family other than having women be incubators for their vision of this. And I don't know, once again, it's weird. I don't want JD Vance talking about my family. I certainly don't want him talking about my, my daughter or my wife.

Uh, it's none of his damn business. But I said, the one thing is we need to talk about how we've invested in families. We have the most generous child tax credit, and it's what a vice president Harris was proposing for the country that people are poor because they don't have money. And when kids don't have the money on the front end, all of the things that a chain reaction of can't learn, can't go on. So I'll, I'll challenge him on that.

Whereas JD Vance's pro families, forcing people to have, uh, you know, not be able to have medical care if they have a bad pregnancy or something. Uh, we need to, we need to stand in front of that. And again, you don't need me to give a sermon, but try and live one, try and be decent, try and help your neighbors, trying to invest in those kids. Before we go, I do want to talk to you about.

What about public health? Well, I'll go over and be there. Uh, you can.

And then you go do the slingshot. It is, it's a rite of passage, but, uh, it's a, it's a good one. Now, one hard question here. Um,

The corn on the cob that's famous, a bucket of sweet Martha's cookies served by the bucket and a pronto pup, uh, which seems to me some sort of amalgamation of corn.

I did. So I'm throwing the.

And this?

Sweet Martha's is the ultimate, uh, is the ultimate bipartisan entry point. So yeah, I can't, you get about a dozen before you get to the bucket. That's sick. You people are sick. We walk, we walk on water half the year.

We have to do something. So.

We're, we're going big for our guest hosts these days.

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