#2182 - Michael Malice

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Okay, I have to announce, because Netflix is making me announce this, that I have a Netflix special that's live, Saturday night, from San Antonio. Oh. So it's going to be live, all over the world.

I'm going to see you tomorrow.

Oh yay! Oh yeah, we're coming.

Yeah, yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun. I've seen your set, it's really funny.

It's tight now. Good. It's like, I'm very happy with it.

How long has it been since you dropped a special?

Six years.

Wait, dude, seriously?

Yeah, I was ready to do one in August of 2020 when the shit went down. So when the shit went down with the COVID stuff, I was preparing, so that was like March, right? I was preparing to do one in August. And then I didn't do stand-up for like eight months. And then we started doing stand-up out here again, and then I started changing a lot of bits and moving stuff around, and I'm like, I'm going to do one right now.

I was there opening night.

Yeah.

And I was there with my protege, Trey. We're in the green room, and I'm very much like, okay, this isn't your house. Like, be respectful of the space, you know, because I'm not a comic. Tim Dillon's there, who I'm pals with. Ron White, oh, my God, Ron White.

She didn't know you?

Of course she didn't know me. You know, she's a boomer. Right? So I'm sitting there. And the thing is, look, you hang out with, like, part of your act.

She's off the rails.

But the whole time I'm like, holy shit, Roseanne is yelling at me.

One of my favorite videos from the store. You can find it on my Instagram, Jamie, of Roseanne dancing. She's smoking a cigarette and dancing while the Get It Together Bitch sign is illuminated in the background. It's such a fucking great video.

I've been hanging out with her, and it's like one of the greatest things that's ever happened to me.

Oh, she's such a character.

Yeah, because the thing is, if I make her laugh, it's like the show. But if I don't make her laugh and she yells at me, well, Roseanne's yelling at me, which is also a win.

She believes some crazy stuff, but she's open to be, like, informed. Yes. We tell her that this is actually what's going on. She doesn't, like, dig her heels in. I try to explain to her contrails.

Yeah. It was more than that, don't you think?

It might have been a week.

How long did they shut the air for? It was a while.

So what happened was the Earth's temperature actually increased. The temperature in the United States increased by a measurable amount. So it's very small, but it's measurable. And it's because there's no clouds. So those clouds that those planes create by flying overhead all the time, those things are consistently blocking out the sun to the point where it actually changes the temperature of the Earth.

Two days.

Two days, yeah. So when they imposed new, I don't know who, it was, NATO, whoever it was, imposed new environmental restrictions on these giant cargo ships. Once they did that, they found that the surface temperature of the ocean actually increased. Because they weren't blowing pollution over the ocean, so much so that it creates a foggy haze that actually measurably blocks the amount of sunlight that goes through it. So, ironically, in trying to cool the ocean by decreasing our carbon footprint, they actually increased the surface temperature of the ocean.

That also gets to the whole thing about how it's not necessarily a bad thing if temperature increases, because there's more life at the equator than at the poles. And it's not necessarily bad if you're going to get things slightly warmer, and maybe it's the speed that's the issue, but they never even take that into consideration. As long as there's any change, it can only be for the worse.

Well, it's also a business. This is where we have to be really careful with this stuff. because I'm very environmentally conscious. I love wilderness and earth and the ocean. I love all these things.

Wait, hold on. What do you mean by big fish? Do you mean like whale sharks?

No, no, no. Like tuna. Fish that we eat. All the swordfish. All these different fish that we commercially capture.

And it's not a lot of these...

90 percent. Wow. 90 percent of larger fish in the ocean are gone. We take through overfishing, unsustainable overfishing. So the real fear is that if we keep going like this for another 100 years, there's nothing left.

Well, the other issue is bycatch, where you're killing a lot of things that you didn't really want to have captured. And also you have, if you have, you remove the predators, then the prey explode in population, like with deer. And then everyone's front lawn. And that's a whole cascade effect there. That 90 percent number seems...

Well, fish markets. Right. So if you talk to anybody who's a sushi chef that's ever been to the famous fish markets in Tokyo, they're so amazing that I was only in Tokyo for two days. I had just flown in. We did the weigh-ins.

I was just there. Like, I came here to yell at you. Oh, really? No, I'm not even kidding. No, no, no.

I've been to Japan. Unfortunately, I was there very briefly.

But that's not going to Japan.

Yeah. It was beautiful, though. I loved it. I loved the audience. The audience at the fights were so respectful, and they were so knowledgeable.

I was really angry at all the misconceptions that I was taught about Japan and Japanese people. Like, I thought that everyone would be like a robot. They were great sense of humor, very friendly. And the thing that they have there that we don't have here is, like, everyone really takes pride in what they do. And, like, you, see it in just regular stores and things like that, restaurants.

Do you know who Sakuraba is?

Isn't he a fighter?

Yes, legendary fighter who used to smoke cigarettes and drink constantly, and he beat everybody. He was, like, one of the greatest of all time. He's an incredible, incredible fighter and mostly fought people way bigger than him, way bigger than him. He fought a lot of absolute killers. And he is, like, one of the funniest guys, like, in all of combat sports.

Yeah, I went to Numazu, which is this little port town. And it looked like something out of Lovecraft, because it's clearly, like, declining. So you go down the main street all the way to the ocean and everything's – or the sea, rather. Everything is closed, all boarded up, because that's the world's only deep sea aquarium. And I'm not into that very much.

How do they do it? How does a deep sea aquarium work? How deep does the water get?

Well, the thing is the fish, I guess they're caught by catch, because the issue is the pressure, right? You bring them up, their eyes explode, their stomachs explode. I don't know how they had the things that they had in those tanks. Like, the tanks are not pressurized. It's not possible.

So do the fish adapt, do you think?

Maybe these are fish that – but no, some of the batfish are, like, don't – some fish vertically migrate, right?

Have you ever been to the one that's in the Mandalay Bay in Vegas?

No, I don't think I have.

It's fucking incredible.

But it's not like this. This is the only one. This is the only one on Earth.

The one in Mandalay Bay is sharks. Holy shit, look at that thing.

That's a coelacanth.

Yeah, that's the one that they thought was extinct.

Right, for what, 65 million years. So it's just an amazing, amazing place. And the thing is, right around the corner – God, how cool is that? It was so cool.

What a cool fish that is. That is an old-ass fish. That fish is from, like, the beginning of life.

And they've got lobed fins. There's only two fish that still have lobed fins. What does that mean? You can see how there's, like, an –.

Oh, like a – it has bones that stick out.

Yeah, the fin doesn't attach directly to the body. There's, like, a lobe. Oh, I see. So them and lungfish are the only ones who have that anymore.

The coelacanth, I think it has bones in there because, like, you know, there's a lot of these animals. One of the weirdest ones is, like, there was an animal that became a whale, and it was a land animal. You know about that one?

Of course. It was like a hippo kind of thing.

Yeah, weird, fucking looking thing. And that thing became a whale.

Yeah, well, whales are carnivores.

I know, which is nuts, right? But they kind of are. They're sweet about it. They only eat the little bitch-ass creatures.

Not the sperm whales.

What do they eat?

Giant squid.

Oh, that's right.

And they shoot sonic waves and, like, boil the water.

What?

Yeah, sperm whales –

Sonic waves and they boil the water? Really?

Like, a sperm whale, can kill you by just vibrating. Like, there was a diver who was with him, and they can fuck you up really bad. Wow. Yeah.

No shit.

Oh, yeah. Because they're, like, what, 80 feet? They're huge. Their entire, like, bulbous nose, is to have this – yeah, there you go.

Whoa. Acoustic prey debilitation hypothesis, or the Big Bang Theory. The theory states that sperm whales can produce ultrasonic noises that are too high in frequency for humans to hear, and that these sounds can create shock waves that can injure prey. However, some studies have not found evidence to support this theory.

There was a diver. –

Can you show more, so we can find out?

There was a diver who had it happen. Like, this was part of Blue Planet or one of those BBC shows.

Well, I mean, it kind of makes sense.

Yeah.

I mean, especially when you look at the size of their mouth and the noises they make.

Sperm whales can reach up to 200 –.

How cool is that?

I have a sperm whale tooth for my shaving brush.

And how wild is that? That fucking thing breathes air. And that thing used to be on land, and it's like, meh, I'm gonna go hang out here and change everything.

There's that meme about the fish went to the land, then you evolved to go back to the sea, but you're not as good as you were before because you don't have gills, then you become a penguin, it's a whole – you can't do either. It's a whole thing. No, but it's –. so the thing I want to talk about, Numazu, there was this little sushi place that I spent 15 minutes looking up this place because I wanted to give the guy a shout-out, called Irichi, I-R-I-I-C-H-I. It's in Japanese and Google Maps.

You saw Jiro Dreams' sushi, right?

Well, I put in my phone, I like you better than Jiro. And he lost it.

Well, Jiro's probably, like, the guy now where all the other, like, sort of incognito sushi places that are legendary, they're like, hey, what the fuck?

I think, Jiro – the thing, Jiro, seems like it wouldn't be fun. It feels like you're taking a test.

In what way? Because he's so serious about it?

Because he's so serious, yeah.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. So this guy was more fun.

Yeah, and the thing I found is a lot of these high-end places, you should know this better than I do, they're not all stuffy. A lot of times, they know how to have a good time. Oh, yeah.

Do you know Wagyu Mafia?

Where's that now?

Okay, Wagyu Mafia is a Tokyo establishment, and they did a pop-in in Austin at Pasta Bar. So Pasta Bar, do you know Philip Franklin Lee? He's the guy that owned sushi. He started here with sushi bar, and then he branched out into his own thing, which is sushi by scratch. And he also does this other thing in town called Pasta Bar.

Yeah, everyone's having a good time.

Oh, my God, it was so fun. It was so silly. Yeah. Yeah, everything was silly. They feed you sometimes, and it's like they blow gold dust all over the air.

But Jiro's not with Japan. I thought Japan was going to be like Jiro, and it wasn't.

Dude's making swords.

Like. if I don't like the food, he just stabs himself in the stomach.

No, but dude's fucking hammering out swords. That's what I think about. I think about the craftsmanship and the seriousness.

But the economics of the place, I don't understand. Because they have these big office buildings like in Herald Square in New York. And it'll be like 13 floors. And each floor has like six rooms. They can take an elevator.

Is it on purpose or is it neglect that no one steps in to correct?

If you're arresting someone 30 times and putting them back on the street, like that's on purpose.

Right, but that's the officer that's doing that. The police department and the prosecutor and the district attorney. But then there's the politicians that are like in control of these areas, and then there's a tone that these areas have, that's being controlled by the district attorney, by how they prosecute things. And all this is all very, very political. So that part of the part, that's the part that looks like you guys want it to be like that.

Yes, very easily.

That's the dumbest part of the argument. And it's not a lot of the resources for it. But we have all these resources for all these other things.

And it's a small percent of people. causing all the problems. Like a Pareto effect was like 20% of people, caused 80% of the problems. It's not like everyone in New York is a criminal.

No, no, it's a lot of career criminals in New York. A lot of people that do the break-ins in the cars and stuff like that, they get arrested all the time.

What was that guy, Jordan Neely, who, like tried to kidnap a girl, he punched an old lady in the face for no reason, broke her orbital socket, the one who was killed on the subway by that good Samaritan. It's like you punch an old lady in the face and break her orbital socket for no reason. once. That's a wrap.

Yeah. That guy, he was prosecuted or he's been charged. Has he gone through the whole trial?

I don't think he has at all. He should be mayor.

This is the guy that choked the guy to death. Yeah. Looks like he got him in a rear, naked choke, and didn't let go. What was the cause of death? Did the guy have a heart attack?

That's a good question.

Because a lot of times….

Rear naked is hard to kill someone. You've got to really hold on for a long time.

You've got to hold on for quite a while.

Yeah.

But you can't have a heart attack if someone's choking you.

And you'll feel it. The guy will get loose. You know he's out.

You remember the Eric Gardner case? Of course. That one made me sick.

The only person who went to jail was the photographer.

Oh, that's so crazy. Why'd he go to jail?

I don't remember what they got him for. But the cops had barely any consequences. The guy died for no reason.

The guy was just selling loose cigarettes.

Right.

I knew a dude who knew him.

It's horrific.

It's horrific. They try to pretend that wasn't a choke. Like, come on. You know how to choke people.

But even if it was….

You choked him.

He's selling cigarettes. Calm down. Loose cigarettes.

It's nothing. And it's like, what is it? It's interfering with the business next to it where he buys his cigarettes. What are you going to do? Right.

Right. And he wasn't in the store.

He's just selling loose cigarettes. Right. Like, if somebody doesn't have enough money for a pack of cigarettes, but they have enough money for two cigarettes, this guy will sell them two cigarettes.

And I also think it's insane to make cigarettes more expensive on purpose to screw with poor people.

They do?

That's the point. Wait a minute. They send taxes. Yes.

Oh. Oh, I see.

They want to make it really hard to buy cigarettes. Yeah. They want….

Well, it's just. they just know that people are hooked and they can just steal money from you. That's really what it is. They know you're hooked on cigarettes.

No, no, no. It's these good…. It's not the tobacco companies that are selling these prices. It's the governments. Right.

Oh, that's interesting. I think it's…. That's a nice excuse, for, we know they are going to keep buying cigarettes. It's a good way to generate revenue.

I don't think it's an excuse at all. This is the guy who banned Big Gulps.

Do you think he banned Big Gulps because of insurance companies?

No, I think he banned Big Gulps because he's a goody two-shoes and thinks he does best for everybody.

But when I hear things like that, I'm always like, okay, what's the financial incentive behind that? Because insurance companies could be like, you know what, people are dying all the time, and one of the big causes is obesity. And one of the big problems with obesity is people drink like Big Gulps. Like, this is why they made seatbelt laws. They didn't make seatbelt laws to make us safe.

No, I thought you meant they're going to say they made seatbelt laws because fatties can't fit into them. to wipe out the fatties. I'm like, all right, there's a eugenics thing going on here. I can see it.

No, it's…. I mean, they're trying to outlaw Big Gulps. I feel like, first of all, fuck you, right? If I want a Big Gulp, I know it's bad for me. You know, if you outlaw Big Gulps, but you don't outlaw that Dunkin' Donuts Blizzard thing, you know that one?

Oh God, what is it, like 1,500 calories?

No, no, no. It's probably like thousands, but it's 186 grams of sugar. Is that what it is? What is the…. It's so crazy.

It's like three Big Macs. And you think because you're drinking it, it can't be that bad. That's the thing.

Big Macs are way better for you.

Yes, which is crazy.

Big Macs are fucking like grass-fed meat.

Oh my…. The thing that's insane is that….

14 donuts.

I've had… How's that even…?

It's so crazy. They just filled it up with sugar. Jamie, see if you can find the video….

1,000 calories.

It's only 1,000?.

Holy…. It's just Vulcan.

And, dude, if you don't eat that way all the time…. Like, I had a milkshake. Like, a big-ass chocolate milkshake. I don't really do that most of the time. And it was like I got hit with a tranquilizer dart.

Well, for me, I have a big sweet tooth. But if I…. Sometimes I might go on a binge and just eat bags of gummy candy. I am wired.

Wired. for how long, though?

A while. It's a while.

But you don't crash afterwards?

Like, I go to bed. I do this for…. If I'm binging, I might as well go to bed. I don't binge during the day.

I've heard people say that, like, eating a high-carb meal before bed. I've heard people talk about doing that. They eat a high-carb meal so that their insulin spikes, and then they just fucking crash afterwards.

I don't have sleep issues, so I feel bad for people who do.

It's a rough thing to have, man.

I had Honey Smacks, cereal, and the first ingredient is sugar. And I'm thinking to myself, like, how are these being held together? Because they don't look like sugar cubes. It looks like grains. How is that even physically possible?

They're so good.

And then Sugar Golden Crisp, or whatever.

Well, we used to eat Frosted Flakes, and then we would put sugar on the Frosted Flakes.

I eat Lucky Charms still. They're really good.

It's fucking good, man. It's good. It should be legal.

And you mix it with your protein drinks. That way you get your protein.

First of all, people need access to real food, primarily. But, every now and then, a fucking Blizzard from Dunkin' Donuts should be on the menu. If you want to, you should be able to. It's ridiculous. But, like, if you want to have a- You know what I love?

But it's also kind of crazy, because, like, Tiramisu- I love Key Lime Pie. I love Key Lime Pie. I could have, like, three bags of candy. Like, it looks like, because it's cake, you think, oh, it's not that bad for you. Oh, it's filled with sugar.

Tiramisu is so much sugar.

But it's so good. Yeah, it is.

Oh, my god, it's so good. Those lady fingers that are dipped in espresso.

What about in those, all those steakhouses, where they're chocolate cakes, like, 1,500 calories a slice? And I'm like, how are you doing this mathematically?

American steakhouses, like, they are trying to kill you.

They're trying to get you-.

They're trying to stuff you as much as possible. Like, if you, and I mean it in the best possible way. But if you go to, like, in town, like, say, if you go to Eddie V's. Yeah. You go to Eddie V's, and you get the lobster, mash, potatoes, and the real- You can't stop eating.

They have the calorie counts at Eddie V's. Do they? Which is useful.

Well, my, if I don't have glasses on, I can't read that shit. They make it a little tiny, little tiny numbers next to the food. Get the fuck out of here. But if, you know, if you go to another country, they don't eat like us. Like, we eat like slobs.

Yeah.

You know, we have giant ass pizzas.

That's why you should go to Japan.

Oh, very much more disciplined than us. I had- You don't see fat people as much.

I had whale eight ways.

Oh, wow. There was really whale? Whoa, that's weird.

Apparently, whale is like a poor people food there.

Wow. But they're our homies. Why are you eating our homies?

Well, you're in Japan, you know. Gotta do as the Japanese do.

I wonder how smart they really are. Because people always say that whales are super smart.

Not necessarily ants do that. We don't think ants are smart.

Yeah, but we do. We do think they're smart. No, we don't. We think they're smart in a weird way.

Well, they're skilled.

It's not just they're skilled. They know how to make these chambers that ferment leaves. Sure. Like the leafcutter ants do?

I was watching about them last night. That's pretty creepy. You brought that up? Fucking incredible. Because there's a video about how did this evolve.

Right. So intelligence is not the right word. You're right. The right word is capable of incredible order. And they have a pattern in their mind.

What is it? There's some animal. Is it the puffer fish, where they gave them like Ritalin? Or they gave them like Lexapro something and the patterns all changed? Oh, wow.

Oh, yes. They definitely did that with spiderwebs. I saw them. There's a bunch of different things they did with spiderwebs. And one of them they gave it LSD.

I've got eight legs and eight eyes.

He remembers when he was like a shitty shopkeeper.

Oh, yeah. There it is. Thank you.

There. it is. So normal marijuana. Marijuana sucks. It's terrible.

Is that an upper? Benzed?

I don't know.

That's like a 70s thing.

That's not benzodiazepine, right? Benzodiazepine is Xanax. What's a benzedrine, Jamie? It's a cup. Caffeine.

What is chlorohydrate?

I have no idea.

What's benzedrine?

How weird is it that they picked chlorohydrate? Why wouldn't you pick alcohol?

Well, you'd probably kill it, right?

Maybe, right?

Sedative. Sedative.

Short-term treatment of insomnia.

So is benzedrine an upper? It must be. Benzos. That's a thing from the 70s. They were all on them.

Well, I think that's benzodiazepine, though. I think benzos...

It's an amphetamine. Okay, yeah.

Benzedrine.

Okay, yeah.

I don't think that's benzos, though. Is that a ben... What is a benzo?

A benzo's an upper.

Is it? I thought it was Xanax.

We're like school moms. Yeah, there's extra of the diases. Oh, the benzos are depressants. That's interesting. That's the Xanax.

So that's benzos, and people say the term benzos?

Or downers. Okay. What's a black beauty? Because that's what they used to take in the 70s.

Isn't that speed?

I think so.

A lot of guys took speed and played pool. It was a big thing. The guys would play on amphetamines.

I know, one time the Go-Go's took a bunch of downers, and they had to perform sitting down in chairs. Oh, that's what that is. Yeah.

Our lips are sealed.

Amphetamines. Okay, uppers.

Yeah.

Okay.

These guys who would play pool on it, they said it makes them see angles better.

Well, because it's speed. You see the edges. It's like Ritalin.

I've never done Ritalin.

No, or like Adderall. Excuse me. I've never done, Adderall. Neither have I. I'm scared of it.

I'm scared of that.

Why are you scared of focus?

Well, the same reason why I don't do it. I've never done cocaine.

We've never done cocaine?

No.

Haven't been to Japan. Haven't done cocaine.

First of all, sir, cocaine's illegal. Son of a bitch. Second of all,

No, you wouldn't.

Yeah, I'm sure I'd like it.

No, you wouldn't. Not. to the extent that people ruin their lives.

Oh, I wouldn't ruin my life.

It's the stupidest drug.

Yeah, I'm not really interested in ruining my life. But I would recognize that this is probably a lot of fun.

It's not.

But how come so many people say it is?

I don't know. It's not fun at all. For you. It's not. It would not be fun for you.

Have you ever heard the Buck Cherry song? Cocaine? All lit up? You know that song? No.

The idea of coke is a lot.

Let's play the song.

Yeah.

And this model went on stage. And she was telling her sober stories. And she was saying, I was just doing coke and just fucking all these rock stars. And he goes, Yeah!

I interviewed Belinda Karler from the Go-Go's. Because she was a coke head. And I said, Explain this to me. Because if it's a rock star, who's a dude, he's having coke orgies. with all these chicks.

Yeah. But some people love it.

I know you well enough to tell you, you're not going to like it. Good.

Thank you.

It's not.

I wasn't going to try it anyway.

Not even on a bucket list thing? Nope.

For the same reason why I won't try Adderall. Adderall seems much more.

That's all you would like. That's the problem. Because there's upsides.

Oh, okay. Yeah. The productivity part.

There's a lot of upsides. Yeah. And you're like, Oh, shit. Anything, Adderall, helps you understand. I've never done it.

Expand on that. So, Adderall, helps. you know how your brain's working?

You know how, when you're any kind of altered consciousness, you realize that your brain has a character of its own. And most people aren't introspective, just take their thoughts for granted. But people who work with psychedelics, things like that, realize, okay, there's ways I can have different perceptions, different focuses, different senses of self in relation to the world, things like that. Adderall, from my understanding, it's like that movie Limitless. It's based on Adderall.

I thought that was based on that other shit.

Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know either. Point being, when you take it, you supposedly are super focused, but you realize, okay, I can fine tune the speed of my thinking. So that's fascinating that your brain has, like a bike, has different speeds, if I'm using that metaphor correctly.

I just know way too many people that enjoy it on a regular basis.

Yeah, and I had a friend who got hooked on it, and she was like, this is bad.

It just seems to keep them going all day. Right. High achievers. Right.

Coke doesn't do that.

A lot of journalists.

And a lot of college kids now.

A lot of college kids. Yeah.

There used to be Coke heads when we were kids. Now they're on Adderall.

I've asked friends who've done it and gone on stage, and they said never again. Anybody who's ever gone on stage on Adderall, they're like, no.

Really, why? Yeah,

not having fun. Too tense.

Yeah.

Just not silly.

You're not loose. You're wired. You're clenching your jaw. Yeah, that's why I'm saying you wouldn't like Coke.

Yeah.

I'm surprised you don't want to just try everything once.

Eh.

What was that noise?

I'm busy.

Eh.

Eh. I got a Netflix special coming up. You can't try everything once, because you'd be trying too many things. There's not that many. And then you'd have to recover.

I agree with you as an anarchist, but then what happened in Portland, or wherever Seattle was, was a real problem.

Yeah, but that also coincided with terrible leadership, where the mayor was saying, when they took over, a giant swath of the city, that it was the summer of love. Remember that crazy shit? Those people were retarded. That whole fucking philosophy up there is so stupid, it's a suicide cult. They legitimately are going to destroy their society.

I hear you, but my point is, you and I both know a lot of people who are waiting for the psychedelics, right? And if psychedelics become fully legal, and corporations take over, there's going to be downsides.

I think if the corporations do the psychedelics, they'll probably have a different approach to how they interact with humanity. If the CEOs and all these people realize, like, you are going to die. And if you're wasting all your time trying to squeeze as much money as humanly possible out of every person that interacts with your company, you're not living a harmonious life. And it doesn't mean that you can't make a lot of money and sell things. But you can make a lot of money and sell things with a psychedelic capitalist perspective, where you're not trying to do evil.

I agree with everything you said.

Very utopian, though.

But I'm saying there's plenty of people who, if they start getting on these drugs and being introspective, they're not going to like what they see, and there's going to be a lot of things that come up, and it's not going to be an easy transition toward a better person for some of them.

And it'll be much harder to get a good burger.

I'm talking about these corporate people.

I understand. And also, even the corporate people.

Look what they did with Housewives and all the speed that they were on.

Oh, yeah, but that's the Housewives' fault. They liked it too much.

Yeah, but they were told this is a diet pill.

Well, better that or lobotomy. We only had a few options back then.

I don't think those were the two.

Mother's Little Helper, remember? From the Rolling Stones song? I mean, they stopped doing lobotomies in 67.. They were doing lobotomies for like 50 fucking years, scrambling people's brains.

They did it to Rosemary Kennedy.

Didn't they do it because she was promiscuous?

And also, she was kind of slow.

Oh.

And the thing with the lobotomy, did you know about this? You have to do it when the person's conscious. Yeah. So she had to count backwards, and then she stopped being able to talk. And then they pretended she was on sabbatical for 50 years, and then they did the Special Olympics because they felt bad.

Oh, my God.

Evil, evil family.

Well, it's an evil practice, that thing that they would do for people when they had troubles.

I love the idea. It's just so insane that, like, there's no precision, really. You're stabbing them in the head.

Scrambling brains.

And hoping you hit the right spot. That's not a thing.

I think they're going to look at that the same way they look at... the way they look at that now. They're going to look at sex change for kids in the future.

Yes. Oh, yes.

They're going to look at all this.

Munchausen's by proxy.

Also, there's clearly like a mind virus, and it is like a mind virus. I mean, that term, mind virus, it sounds like you shouldn't say that because a virus doesn't exist in the mind. It's a different kind of thing than an actual biological virus, but it has the same function. It really does.

Ideas go viral. Yeah, they do, right? That's the thing. The idea is going viral. The thing is, when you and I were kids, as dinosaurs, every girl, or 90% of them, had an eating disorder because she was uncomfortable.

Very common.

A lot of people didn't grow out of it, but most of them did. Now, if you're uncomfortable with your body, you're going to be shifted down in this direction, in many such cases. It's really just... Carol Markowitz, who's a journalist, she was a neighbor of mine in Brooklyn. She said a majority of kids in her daughter's class were identifying as some variant of queer.

It's so strange.

Strange isn't the word.

But it is also strange.

With eating disorders, you can get over it.

Right. This is going to cause permanent damage to people.

Did you see this evil demon from the LA Times? There was a woman, a girl named Chloe Cole, who was a detransitioner.

A vertebrate.

They had this whole hit piece on her. Oh, no. She's become beloved by the right. This is someone telling their real... She's not unique.

Could you imagine, if it was instead the right that was promoting this? How the left would react?

The right used to. It was a conversion therapy. This is their version.

Praying the gay away. Yeah. Yeah. But not as extreme in the sense that you're not doing surgery on people, especially on children, to give them hormone blockers. Right.

Right. Now, imagine.

if that was going on with the right here. They're saying, no, you can't be gay, but you can be trans and you can become a woman. Also... And so they're encouraging it and then profiting off of it and then shaming anyone that detransitions like that person. Imagine if that was all being done by the right.

The thing that's also crazy is that everyone who questions their gender is trans. No one just has issues with their gender.

Not only that, there's a lot of data that shows that if you let them just leave them alone and let them go through puberty and become an adult, they usually become gay.

Yeah.

And then a lot of gay people are like, hey, this is homophobic. This idea is homophobic. Like, this idea that these people are actually in the wrong body. Like, no, they're gay.

And I also talk about this a lot. There's this complete... insane, insane pretense that taking hormones, even the hormones of your own gender, has no downside. So if a male takes testosterone, he's not going to have any bad side effects. If a female takes estrogen, there's no bad side effects.

the blockers are the crazy thing. Because they are literally chemical castration drugs that they would use for pedophiles. It's the same drugs.

But also, Joe, the lie that you can just start puberty later.

It's a lie. Absolutely a lie. You will be altered forever. You will never develop.

As I am proof, if your growth is stunted as a kid, you don't get to grow your full height. later. There's a window. Same thing with learning language. These kids who are feral and raised by wolves, they don't later become scholars.

Right.

So the brazen lies of, well, you can just start puberty later, if that's what you feel like. I can't imagine this.

coming from the right. Imagine. So this is why people are so weird. Because...

And why is this politicized?

It's crazy. Right? It is crazy. Why is it politicized?

If there's kids who have mental illness of some kind, let's get them help. Right. And everyone's different.

Right. Everyone's different. And the solution isn't necessarily give a girl a mastectomy when she's 14.. That seems insane.

Do you know? there's... Yeah.

What?

And they remove, make you look like a Barbie or Ken doll. Oh, God. And Joe, you know why I made that, why I winced? Because you know it's here in Austin. The clinic is here.

Oh, my God.

This is what happens when you're friends with Deborah, so you learn about these things. Wait a minute, really?

It's called neuter? Yeah. How many people have they done this to?

I don't know. I don't know. It's here in Austin. The guy's very proud of himself. Oh, my God.

God, that's so weird.

No, it's very normal.

So this is like when you go to visit the Coliseum and you're like, what happened to these people? This is us. This is us. It's just. we're very fortunate to be in the middle of it and watching it all play out.

There's that meme of Jesus. Yes. Matthew McConaughey smudging the asteroid. Now he gets flooded again.

Oh, that's funny. I saw it sending the asteroid. I saw it the other day. I guess there's a bunch of those. Like, what the fuck, man?

It's when you're dealing... The thing is, the gas lighting is what bothers me.

Well, it all bothers me. It all bothers me the fragility of the human mind. You know, that we're... So everybody. forever was like, Kamala Harris is the worst vice president.

So... Ta-da! You've got me started, Officer Harris. So they've been doing this live for years. So in 2019, our pal Tulsi absolutely nuked her in that second debate.

Well, it just shows you that what they're looking for is not what they say they're looking for. Yes. Because she is a strong woman. She is a person who served overseas twice in a medical unit, so she got to see people blown up by the war. She was a congresswoman for eight years.

Because she's not for war.

Yes. Well, she's also just not willing to play ball. There's a game that's being played, and if you're like, hey, you're not supposed to fucking move the ball. Like, oh, look at this bitch over here. Like, get out of here.

Did you see that piece by Seymour Hersh that dropped over the weekend about the coup?

Yes. So explain to people what. Seymour Hersh... I don't know if he's right, but he seems to be right a lot, and he was right about the Nord Stream Pipeline, right?

So what I was saying, and a lot of other people were saying, is, the big issue is, how do you get Biden out of the White House? So here's Biden's case. He's like, look, I got Trump out of the White House last time. I'm only behind two or three points in the polls. Kamala's polling worse than me.

But if there was ever a time to invoke the 25th Amendment, wouldn't you think this is the time?

Sure, but I don't think they, hold on, hold on, here's the thing, let's talk about this. So, Seymour Hersh, who's been around D.C. since the 60s, I believe he wrote The Dark Side of Camelot, if I'm not mistaken. He had a thing on his sub-stack that goes, Biden got the call, and it was Obama, Pelosi, former Speaker of the House, Chuck Schumer, Majority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries, current House Minority Leader, Leader of the Democrats in the House, and they said, we got Camelot on board to invoke the 25th, if you don't drop the nomination, you know, that's what's going to happen. The thing is, you were saying, they're not invoking the 25th, he's still President.