JRE MMA Show #159 with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
2024-07-09 03:03:04
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What's up, Quentin? What's up, man? Good to see you, sir. Yeah, good to see you. Salud, cheers.
Good to be here. So tell me about your drink. What is this? It's called F3?.
Yeah, F3.
. It's a newer energy drink. It's got supplements and stuff in it. Oh, this is good. Yeah.
Ginseng, BCAAs, theanine. Okay, good for the brain.
What the hell is theanine?
I don't even know what that is. It's a nootropic. It's in this gum. This gum, NeuroGum. Yeah.
Yeah, I take a bunch of different brain supplements.
Does it make your dick hard, though?
No, it doesn't help there. Oh. I've been looking for something. There's other stuff for that.
But how good would it be if you can drink Dick Hardener?
I'm sure they have it. I'm sure there's, like, a Viagra soda somewhere. Thailand or some shit.
I'm sure in Thailand.
Maybe Russia.
I'm sure so. Jamie, Google Dick Hard, Soda. You can get Carl to sit still for a second.
Can you think about that? You don't have to take a pill. You just drink it. The girls have no idea.
I bet there's, like, a cocktail that you can buy at a bar.
Why do you call it cocktail, though?
Well, that's what they call them. I didn't invent it. But if there was, like, a cocktail. Yeah, that's what they would call it. The Cocktail.
Hold on, man. I don't want to spill all over your table.
It's okay. This table looks good with a little bit of stains on it. You find anything? I need, Dick Hard Soda. It's giving me, like, cocktails that people have, you know, made.
That have Viagra in them? They're just suggesting. No, no. They're just alcohol, and they call them, like, get your dick hard. Oh.
Oh, Viagra. Viagra Falls. But there's no sodas or anything with Viagra? That would probably be. It would have to be in another country.
Yeah, they probably wouldn't have that here.
Because you have to have a prescription.
That's the only thing this needs. It's got everything else. And it's green tea. That's where the caffeine comes from. Nice.
And the ginseng, too.
Yeah, I can drink, like, two or three of these a day. It don't bother me. I love it.
That's nice. Dude, the first time I saw you fight was in, like, 2000..
Yeah, about 2000.
. I saw you fight, Marvin Eastman.
My first fight? My first professional fight?
Was that your first professional fight?
Yeah, you saw that? Yeah. In King of the Cage? Yep.
I was there, live.
You was there at King of the Cage? Yep.
Wow. Yeah.
You saw me get my ass kicked.
You didn't get your ass kicked. I did. No, you just lost. Marvin Eastman was fucking good.
Man, yeah. I was lied to, by the way. Oh, really? Yeah. They was doing him a favor, and they told me the guy was just a kickboxer.
You know, I was a wrestler.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
He can kickbox, too.
Yeah.
I didn't know about the wrestling. I knew he could kickbox. He kicked me in the head. I was like, damn, that's my only time ever getting kicked in the head. Really?
Yeah, my whole career. Go back and watch my fights. That's crazy. I learned a lesson.
Never got kicked in the head again. Wow.
Yeah, he could wrestle, and he could kickbox, and he was built like a tank.
Yeah. Yeah, that's why he was my first fight in the UFC, because I don't know if you know about this, but Dana White bought an organization just to get me, because I left Pride, and I went to WFA.
Oh, okay.
And my manager. at the time, he became like the president of WFA, so he had to stop being my manager. And I fought in a company, and Dana bought the whole company so I can come over.
So this was when you were leaving Pride, when the UFC had bought Pride.
This was before. Oh. I left Pride right when it was going down.
When the UFC bought Pride, they thought they were buying a whole organization, and they didn't get anything but a library. They got a video library.
That's all they got?
All the contracts were bullshit. Everything was bullshit. That's why they never got Fedor. And that's why I think, well, it's like they honored people's contracts. Some people got great contracts.
Mark Hunt apparently got a great contract. Alistair. A lot of these guys that came over had great contracts. Crow Cop. Remember, Crow Cop came over?
But the whole thing was all fucked up. It was run by the mob.
Yeah, it was crazy.
What was it like being over there?
Man, it was crazy. It was surreal. I remember the first time I noticed that the mob had something to do with Pride, I saw these guys walking down a hallway when we was doing the piss test. And I was coming back from the bathroom with my cup, and I just see these guys walk around in nice, expensive suits. And then everybody just put their head down, put their back against the wall, and just bow.
Whoa. I was like, what the fuck is going on? Culture shock. I had no idea. Right.
And then, after a while, I asked somebody, they're like, oh, those are the bosses. Those are the yackers.
Did they have missing fingers?
Some of them. did. You see some of that shit over there. Bro.
It was crazy. That is a crazy way to gain entry. Fucking, saw your finger off in front of everybody.
I thought that if you did something bad. Yeah, if you fucked up, right. I had a friend out there. His name was 36, and the guy took a liking to me. And he was super cool, all tatted up.
And I guess he was rich as fuck. When he found out I had little Japanese kids, he said, hon, your son needs this. And it was like a gold samurai helmet. He said, this has to stay in your son's house. And I showed it to my ex-wife.
She was my wife at the time. She said, oh, yeah. I was going to have to get him this. He saved me a lot of money. I said, how much is something like this?
She said, probably like $30,000 or $40,000.
. Wow. He gave me a gift.
He had like a missing pinky finger.
But he was a cool dude. What do they do?
They chop off one digit or two? How many digits did they chop off?
I think he just had the first. Yeah, he just had the first one chopped off.
Yeah, it's like if you fuck up again, then it's the second one.
I don't know. Maybe go to the other hand, I would think. I don't think you would fuck up no more. after that, though. Would you fuck up twice?
I mean, you don't fuck up on purpose, I would assume.
Yeah, yeah. You never know about that.
I mean, it depends on how strict they are. What is a fuck up for those guys?
I have no idea.
It's a crazy culture.
It's crazy. I love it, though. I could live there.
Yeah?
Yeah, plus, I heard that their population is dying off. They ain't making babies.
They're actually asking people to come over there and fuck.
Man. What the fuck I'm doing here?
I just got back from there. I was trying to fuck. I was trying to be good because I'm trying to see somebody. I was trying to be good, so I ain't fuck nothing this time. This is the first time I'm going to Japan and I ain't fuck nothing.
Goddamn. Trying to be good for once in my life.
Do they love Americans over there? Yeah. Oh, wow.
Tell me, you've been there, though.
I've only been there for one day. Just for the UFC and right back home.
How could you do that? How could you go there? That's a long flight.
I had to. Too busy. I just didn't have any time for anything else. But it was beautiful. It's interesting how clean everything is.
So clean and orderly.
Yeah.
So many people walking on the street. Nobody's bumping into anybody. Everybody's very polite.
Yeah, they're very polite. But they're like robots, bro. I remember one time when I was fighting there. One guy on the other side of the street recognized me, but he wasn't sure. He was riding a bike and he was looking at me.
He wasn't paying attention to where he was going. And he fucking smacked the back of the truck and fell down on his bike. We all was laughing our ass off. But the Japanese people, no one laughed. No one tried to help him up.
None of that. He was hurt, kind of bad, and I would have went over there and tried to help him, but it was like a busy street. No one even helped him? No one even helped him. They just kept walking.
Just kept walking. One dude stepped over him. Oh, Jesus. Just kept walking. No one laughed, though.
That's the thing. Fuck me. We was laughing our ass off.
You don't hear about a lot of Japanese comedians.
No. I heard that the ones that they do have, they come from Osaka, not Tokyo. Oh.
Osaka's looser?
Yeah. I've been to Osaka before, and they laugh and crack jokes. You know, I married a Japanese woman, right? So I kind of learned a little bit about them. They're very serious.
Really?
Oh, yeah. Especially in Tokyo. They're very serious. You got to be careful with jokes and stuff. She learned to be funny after a couple years of being with me, and then she started joking.
Then she actually got pretty good. I'm like, damn, she started hurting my feelings a little bit. What the fuck did I create? But she was good. I remember one time we was joking back and forth, and she was laughing.
Then I made a joke about her dad, and she's like, don't you talk about my father. I was like, damn, my bad. I thought we was joking. So they just take everything serious. They don't understand the concept of jokes.
You know, our comedy movies. don't go there to Japan. Just our action movies and stuff.
Interesting.
You didn't know that?
No. It makes sense, though. They're just a different culture. They're more stoic. It's just a completely different society.
Yeah, but I'm going to go there and make a whole bunch of babies, though. They need me. They do. They need me. They do.
I'm going to make me a bunch of babies, and if they're boys, put them in MMA.
Yeah, I think they have a drastic reduction in their population. for some reason. It's so bad. I forget what the guy estimated, but there was a guy who analyzed all the people that are alive today in Japan and how many of them would have grandchildren, and it's a shockingly low number.
I wonder what's the reason, though.
That's a good question.
Probably I think they like video games. That's a problem with young people.
Bro, I love video games, too, but I also love pussy.
You know what I'm saying?
You can play a couple games, then later on at night get some ass.
I don't understand. I think they're just locked in. I don't know. I don't know what's going on.
Well, I thought it was rejection. People are so afraid of rejection over there. Like the guy go and hit on a girl, and she rejects him. He probably won't hit on that girl again for the next couple of months or years, or something like that. Oh, really?
That is really bad, especially if she rejects him in front of other people.
Oh, so it's an honor thing? Embarrassment thing?
Yeah, it's an embarrassment thing. That's what I kind of think it is. That's what I think it is.
Jamie, see if you can find something on Japan's dwindling population, because it is kind of crazy.
I got a couple of friends that's married out there, and one of my friends, we were just having a conversation. His name is Tyson. He's an African guy, and he owns a bar out there. And I've been going to this bar for over 20-something years. After all my fights, I used to go into this bar, and we got to know each other really well.
And he was talking. He was saying, if you love a Japanese woman and you marry a Japanese woman, do not give her a pet or kids, because if you give her a pet or kids, you're never fucking again. I'm like, what? I'm like, yeah, I was married to a Japanese woman. I didn't have that problem.
Maybe it was just him.
No, that's what I thought. And then he said, oh, you don't believe me? And he asked the Japanese guys and a couple of the guys that was there, American guys that was married. They said, yeah. They all said the same story.
How weird.
This was in the AP four weeks ago about birthrate declining and population decline. It says, surveys show young Japanese are increasingly reluctant to marry or have children, discouraged by bleak job prospects, the high cost of living, which rises at a faster pace than salaries, and a gender-biased corporate structure or corporate culture that adds an extra burden only on women and working mothers. Japan's population of more than 125 million is projected to fall by about 30 percent to 87 million by 20.. That's crazy. With four out of every 10 people 65 years of age or older.
Whoa. That's nuts.
Yeah.
That's a big drop, man. Doesn't really give a reason why. Falls to a record low. Interesting.
Yeah, I heard they paying niggas to go to have babies. Fuck that.
They're encouraging people to go over there and buy houses, too. Apparently, it's really easy to buy a house and you can get a nice house for a fairly low money. It's safe.
Yeah, it's cheap, too.
Yeah. It's a beautiful culture. I don't think I could ever live any place that doesn't crack jokes.
Yeah. Yeah.
I need fun.
Yeah.
I'm too used to it. You know, I've had fun for too long.
But I tell you, what, though, those yuckers, they funny, though. They're like Americans. Oh, I'm sure. They're not like the rest of them. Oh, yeah.
So you'd be hanging around a bunch of those motherfuckers.
Yeah, but I don't want to fuck up. I like my pinkies.
If you're not one of them, they wouldn't fuck with you like that.
Oh, OK.
Yeah.
Yeah. Maybe I just hang out with them.
I remember one time I had a meeting with a big yakuza boss. This guy was the biggest Japanese guy I ever met. He was like a—looked like. he was like 6'6", and he was, like, ripped to, like, twice my size. Very muscular.
And when I met him, it was right after I did that Arona Slam, and I got really popular in Japan.
What year was that?
I'm sorry. 2003?. That was actually 20 years ago. Oh, wow. 20 years ago.
2004.
. Because I did it on my 26th birthday.
Dude, that is, to this day, the greatest slam in the history of the sport. And a lesson for everybody that hangs onto a triangle when a dude's picking you up.
All he had to do was let go of my head.
All he had to do.
I couldn't have picked him up.
And other guys did that with you. I forget who tried to get you in a triangle afterwards.
It was Vandale. That's right.
He grabbed my leg after that. Yeah.
Yeah. But, you know, I did that to Sakuraba, but it didn't knock him out. I slammed Sakuraba a couple times. It was from an armbar and stuff, though.
Sakuraba was so tough.
Oh, yeah. I saw him a couple weeks ago. Here it is right here.
Bro, this is the absolute craziest, because you threw him over the top of your head like a pillow. I mean, it's the greatest KO slam of all time. I thought he was dead. I remember watching it. I was like, oh, my God.
Wait. He didn't hold it back in my head, did he? No.
He didn't hold shit.
Oh, shit. All these years, I thought he was holding. Okay. Then he let it go. He was punching.
No. You know, as soon as you get that left hand involved, so he's punching you, you scoop under and get that left hand involved.
He's holding on to something. Look at this.
Boom. When you connected your two hands like that and slammed down, holy shit. Because you think about it, man. You got your whole body like this, and he's over the top of your head. That's so much force.
That may be the hardest anybody's ever been hit in this sport.
Yeah.
Because look at the amount of travel that he does. Yeah. Bro, you got him like 12 feet in the air. Yeah. Look at that.
And he goes straight, and you were powerful as fuck. back then. Yeah. And all the speed and force you're generating, oh, my God. And then you hit his head.
Yeah.
Head to head. You guys collided heads. Yeah.
He headbutted me. A lot of people are saying I headbutted him. That's what knocked him out, but he was already knocked out. Oh, yeah. His head bounced off the canvas and hit me.
He's not going to stay conscious from that kind of slam. That's the craziest slam ever.
He didn't fight much after that either, did he?
No.
You think he was embarrassed or what?
I think he was never the same. I think when a guy gets knocked out like that, it's probably different than any head kick, any knee to the head, anything. It's a car accident.
Bro, I felt bad because he was a great fighter.
He was. He really was. He was tough. Very good jujitsu, strong as hell.
I was losing that fight up until then because he was kicking the shit out of my leg. And I didn't even want to check that. I didn't even want to check that his kicks was coming so hard. I fought K-1, and I fought a lot of kickboxers, but his kick is the hardest by far. Wow, really?
Oh, yeah. Every time he would kick me, I was acting like it didn't hurt. And after the third kick, I remember thinking in my head, I don't know if I can keep acting like this. shit don't hurt. Wow.
Because I didn't want to show him in my face.
Right.
But got the hardest leg kicks I ever felt.
Have you seen that new stupid thing that they're doing, like slap fight, where they leg kick each other?
No, I haven't. No, no, no, no. I haven't seen that shit.
This is a new one. Have you seen it, Jamie? I could send it to you if you want me to. I sent it to Dana. It's, yeah, they're having slap fight competitions, but leg kicks.
These dudes are just standing in front of each other, just teeing off leg kicks.
That's dangerous.
Oh, it's horrible.
Did you find it, Jamie?
I'll send it to you. Here you go.
That can fuck you up real bad.
Oh, it's rough. It's rough to watch. And some guys are kicking like right, you're supposed to kick the thigh, but some guys are kicking really kind of like right above the knee and buckling. And you just stand there. You can't even move.
You have to just eat it.
I wouldn't. No, that's not my shit. How do you feel about that? slap fight?
I don't.
I'm fully in support of anybody doing whatever the fuck they want to do. I'm like, if you could bull ride, if you could BMX jump and skateboard and all that crazy shit where people are breaking their necks, here it is. They're standing in front of each other. I feel like you should be able to do anything, but I wouldn't do it. Because getting hit, it should be rare, and you should avoid it.
Look, dude kicked him in the leg, then grabbed the top of his head. I would have smacked him just for that.
I think they're friends. Oh. It's like, sorry, bro.
You know? That dude tapped out. The last one. he tapped out. They got a bunch of them in there.
I didn't hear that.
They just stand in front of each other and slam each other in the knee. Or slam each other in the thigh. Yeah.
It's a good time for MMA and all this shit. I saw the karate comeback with Boss Rude. Oh, yeah. That's entertaining. Did you see the guy get that scissor kick?
Yes.
Rafael Duterte. That guy's badass, man. And he fought James Vick. James Vick's been KO'd a bunch of times. now.
It's like, he might not want to do this anymore, because that was a bad one. That switch kick.
Yeah, he was out for a while, it looked like.
It was horrible. Perfect kick, though. Did you see that, Jamie? I'll send you that. That shit was incredible.
I mean, I'd always wondered when someone was going to pull that one off in a fight. Like kick to the leg and then up kick right afterwards.
He did that shit perfect.
Oh, it was flawless.
The KO is so nasty.
The karate combat, the whole, that guy, Rafael Duterte. There it is, right before that. Watch this switch. It's so crazy the way he does it, the way he sets it up. He right kicks.
Boom. I mean, perfect.
Perfect. Yeah, that was a crazy knockout. Crazy.
That guy's super athletic.
I never heard of either of those guys.
He used to fight in the UFC. I don't know what happened. I don't know why he's not in the UFC anymore, but man.
He should go back now.
They're going to test him.
I don't know why he left the UFC. I don't know if he had an issue. I'm not sure. Good fighter, though. But, man, that's crazy.
It's interesting when you watch an organization that tests versus, don't test too, right?
Yeah. How do you feel about that?
I have two thoughts. One, I like to see older athletes compete. And if you get a guy who's like 35, 36 years old, if you let him juice, if you let him use testosterone, if you just do it sensibly, not crazy, but if you can go to a doctor and make sure it's only administered by a doctor, so they're not self-administering, and make sure they test them to make sure they're not above a certain level, I don't have any problem with that. But when you get guys like what Vitor did, Vitor just, fill him up, Doc.
He blew the fuck up.
He's just like, take it to my eyeballs. Just fucking. And, man, when he was TRT Vitor, to fans when they talk about it, like that was an era. That era when he was on a tear, when he knocked out Luke Rockhold and knocked out Bisping, and he was fucking everybody up, dude. He was fearless.
But he was also, like, heavily enhanced. You know, he was not a normal human being.
I remember the time when it was legal. Yeah. Yeah, and they fucked it up because I tried that shit. after I got beat by Jon Jones. I was like, fuck, I must be getting old.
And I tried it, and it helped me out a little bit. Then they outlawed it. I said, fuck, I guess I'm back to the old me.
Yeah, they outlawed it. There was a lot of guys on it. And a lot of guys were abusing it. Some guys got pulled from fights because they test them the day of, and they're like, there's no fucking way. You are so high.
This is crazy. Nate Marquardt, they actually stopped the fight. They stopped it from happening. Yeah, they canceled the fight.
Yeah, you know, Pride, they never tested.
Ensign Inouye told me that they had in capital letters, we do not test for steroids in the contract.
Yeah, but they'll test you for like weed and cocaine and all that shit. That's hilarious. But they wouldn't test you for steroids.
So they tested you. They just didn't test you for anything that would actually help you fight.
It seems like they kind of encouraged it.
Oh, yeah, they definitely encouraged it. Yeah. They did, with a guy I know. He went over there, and he was about, he wanted to fight at 170.. He was like, no, you fight at 185..
And they're like, we'll give you steroids.
Everybody thought I was on steroids when I was fighting over there.
Well, you just had great genetics. Some people have great genetics, and some people need steroids.
Yeah. I always tell people, like, look at me and look at some of the other fighters. You can look at my body and tell that I wasn't on that shit.
Well, the difference is when they get tested. Like when the pre-USADA and post-USADA days are so interesting because even though they outlawed testosterone,
still guys like Overeem, there's not a chance in hell. that guy was natural. He was not natural at all. There's no way. No way.
Especially when you fought Brock Lesnar. But somehow or another, he passed the test. But the test, the day of, like, the day of, like the weigh-ins test, that's nonsense. That is nonsense. Like, all the benefits are still there, and all the stuff is out of your system.
Bro, it's crazy. I used to fight over there with Alistair, right? And he was like the bony 205-er.
Yeah, he was thin.
Yeah, he was thin. Then one day I saw him, like, God damn, what the fuck are you doing? He said, horse meat.
I'm like, okay, buddy.
Yeah, he was power lifting. You remember when he got up to, like, 265, you know, when he won the K-1 Grand Prix? Oh, yeah. I mean, you couldn't hit him. He was a mountain of muscle.
He was just covered behind muscle. And, you know, K-1 style, when they, like, fight with, like, the earmuffs on, when they're standing there, like, he was. just, there was no chin. You couldn't see it in there.
He was a bad motherfucker. He won it, too, didn't he?
Yeah, he won the Grand Prix, which is crazy.
I was always worried I was going to have to fight him in pride. But I don't know why they never put me against him.
Bro, when he fought Brock Lesnar, if they kept the testing that way, he might have been the heavyweight champion. He might have stayed the heavyweight champion, too. I mean, he was hard to handle at that weight. He was so big. And he had those elite kickboxing skills.
You know, I remember when he fought, I guess it was Strikeforce, when he fought Brett Rogers. You could see the moment. He hits Brett Rogers with one low kick. And you could see it in Brett Rogers' face, like, oh, shit. Like, this is different.
This is so different. He was so scary, man.
Yeah. Fucked. Big, tall motherfucker. I would like to see him go against Jon Jones.
I would have loved to have seen that back in the day. But if, again, you let him fight enhanced, because the difference between him enhanced and unenhanced, he became an average fighter. Yeah.
But Jon was enhanced, too, though. If they would have went against each other, both enhanced.
At the time.
At the time.
So you think Jon was enhanced?
Yeah, I think it's proven.
Really? Because of the whole thing with the picograms, whatever the fuck that shit is?
Well, you know, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to it, but I just thought he got popped, so I assumed that he was enhanced.
He did, but the problem that he got popped with, there were so minuscule levels that it didn't make sense.
He don't look like somebody. that's. He does steroids.
No, he doesn't. Oh, okay. But neither did Lance Armstrong.
He probably did. He's probably doing something different, though. Lance.
No, he was doing testosterone. I mean, he was definitely doing that, too. Those guys were doing a lot of shit. They do everything they can when they do that. tour de France.
Doctors say that it's actually healthier to do that thing on steroids than it is to not be on steroids, because your body just can't recover because you're biking for hours and hours and hours, day after day. It's a fucking crazy event.
I think, if you're biking and doing shit like that, let them do steroids. But fighting, I'm against that shit. Right. It's different. Yeah, football, boxing, MMA, shit like that.
But football, you know they're doing something.
Yeah, you know they're doing it.
But those guys are gigantic.
Yeah, but I think if you got full contact against another human, I think it should be outlawed. But baseball, I wouldn't give a fuck.
It would only make it interesting.
And basketball, I wouldn't care.
Right, who cares?
Yeah, who cares? Yeah.
Yeah. Especially if they're professional athletes. They've got a small window of opportunity. Yeah. They have like 10, 15 years at most where they can compete at their very best.
Yeah, let those guys juice.
Juice them up.
Yeah, let them do it. Help them know how to do it safely. But fighting, because you can hurt somebody. Because some people are totally against it.
Well, the only way it makes sense in fighting is if everybody agrees. You know, like if you agree, but if you're cheating, you know, if you're just jobbing the tests and, you know, you've got a good scientist that works with you and you're figuring out a way to rig everything. Nah, that's not good. Yeah.
You know, I'm against it because I fought a few guys. that was on steroids when I was fighting in pride.
Who did you fight? that was like the most obvious on steroids?
For me, I felt like it was the most obvious was Kevin Randaman, RIP. I don't ever want to talk ill of big bro, but Mark Coleman, he's honest about it. Yeah. They were doing something. And Vanilla, for sure, was on that shit.
For sure. For sure.
For sure. For sure. Bro, he fought like he was on it.
Oh, my God.
He fought like he had rabies.
Bro, that guy was so vicious. He just walked around mad the whole time. You know, all the fighters in Japan were scared of him. That's why he didn't like me, because I was never afraid of him. The first time I had a run-in with Vanilla, we were all staying at the same hotel, and I'm walking back from press, and I get in on the elevator with my corner man, and the elevator opens up, and it's Vanilla in there with two of his corner men.
And I don't notice, and I just walk on the elevator, and I turn around, and my two corner men took off. So I'm in the elevator by myself with Vanilla, and he looked at me like I was crazy because I didn't take off with them. He seemed like he was mad, that I was breathing his same air in the fucking elevator. He was like, what are you doing? And they was talking shit in Portuguese and stuff like that.
I was like, I ain't afraid of no motherfucking body. I was a kid then too, but I just never been afraid of anybody. Then, after I meet my two corner men, what the fuck happened? Where the fuck did y'all go? I was like, shit, that was the ax murderer.
I'm not getting in there with him.
Just leave. I was like, so you just want to leave? They didn't even pull you out. They didn't even touch me.
Oh, that's so ridiculous. I would have never trusted those dudes again.
Yeah, fuck them. Just left me with them. But I was cool, but he never liked me.
Were you there when he had that fight with Charles Crazy Horse Bennett in the back room?
No, I wasn't there.
Apparently, the story is Crazy Horse knocked him out cold.
Yeah, I heard that.
That's the story. The story is they ganged up on Crazy Horse. Crazy Horse was a wild dude. That dude was crazy. He was fun.
I remember I got drunk with Crazy Horse. one night. Me and I think it was Eddie Bravo went to see Brock Lesnar's first professional fight in L.A. at the Coliseum.
Was it with UFC?
No. No, I think it was with K-1.. I think it was a K-1 fight in Los Angeles.
I might have been there.
Hoist Gracie fought that night. I think Hoist Gracie fought Sagaraba, if I remember correctly.
Was that a rematch? Yes. I wasn't there. I don't think I was there.
And he beat him. And Hoist was a little saucy. He got caught.
Hoist beat Sagaraba in the rematch?
Yeah, but Hoist was saucy. They caught him in the piss test, if I remember correctly. Check to see if that's true. But I sat right next to Crazy Horse. Just me and him got fucked up the entire show.
That guy's crazy.
We had fun.
He's funny, man.
We had a lot of laughs. But he was a wild dude.
You know what he's doing now?
What's he doing now?
He's in Thailand fighting for a fight circus. You heard about them? No. Man, he's fighting like two motherfuckers at the same time. Two Thai dudes at the same time.
I said, man, this shit looks fun. I want to do that shit.
How big are the Thai dudes?
They're about his size. They're his size.
He's fighting two on one.
Two on one in Thailand.
Does he just pay a lot of money or something?
I don't know how much they pay. I did a two-headed boxing match with Bob Sapp. I didn't get paid much money, but I was doing it for fun.
So you and him versus somebody else?
Yeah, me and Bob Sapp in a two-man t-shirt. I could only use my right hand. He could only use his left hand. And we fought two dudes. That shit was so fun.
Oh, that's crazy.
That was the most fun I ever had in the ring, bro.
Just ridiculous?
Yeah, it was fun. Fight circus is crazy.
What does it say, Jim? Oh, yeah, he tested positive for fighter. Tim Percy. Tested positive for methamphetamine.
That's my friend.
And Hoist Gracie tested positive for nandrolone. Shut the fuck up, Tim. Antibox steroids.
Tim Percy is my high school, I mean my college wrestling. He's my roommate in college.
No shit. Who did he fight? Who did he fight? Who else was in the card? Let me see.
There was some.
What the fuck?
Who else fought? The original. Let's see. Pre-fight problems. Scroll back up to the card again, please.
Let me see who was on that card. Because there was one crazy KO where there was, like, a football player. Johnny Morton. Right. He fought a guy who was a comedian.
That guy.
Bernard Aka. A Japanese. How do you say his name?
Aka.
A Japanese-born taekwondo practitioner, kickboxer, mixed martial arts, and comedian. Yeah, that guy. Fuck Johnny Morton up. It was horrible.
The comedian fucked somebody up? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I don't know how good his comedy is, but he could fuck people up. I'll tell you that. Jake Shields was on that card. He won by rear naked choke.
That's a good card.
Yeah.
Yeah, Sakuraba was on there.
Yep. So, Hoyes beat Sakuraba, but then tested positive. This was supposed to be on the card. Ray Cepho and Marvin Eastman dropped from the card with no explanation. That was supposed to be on the card.
Gina Carano. Oh, Gina Carano. So, that was a K-1, right? Yeah. That was, like, up until Brock Lesnar won real quick.
That was his first fight ever. Yeah. But, so, Crazy Horse was backstage, and I guess all the Shoot the Box guys got into it with Crazy Horse. And didn't Christian Marcelo, I think he choked Crazy Horse out, right? With a triangle.
Put him in a triangle afterwards, too.
Yeah, I heard this story.
So, Crazy Horse apparently knocked out Vanderlei and then got choked out. And then he went and fought, or had he already fought?
I don't remember, but I heard Vanderlei fought after he got knocked out. He did. After he got out cold, fought, and won.
But won by decision.
Who did he fight that time? Do you remember?
Let's find out. Let me see Vanderlei's record. I'll tell you when I see it. Because you could tell he was, like, fighting a little cautious. You know, like, maybe didn't want to get hit.
Bro, that's crazy. What if they had cameras back there in the locker rooms?
I think there is video footage of it. I'm pretty sure there's footage. There's definitely footage of Marcelo choking out Crazy Horse because he gets him in a triangle with his jeans on. I remember watching it. It's, like, 07, right?
Is that where you're looking? Yeah. It wasn't Mergo Krokop. I think it might have been Fujita. Nope, that's not it, because he won that one by soccer kicks.
Does he have any that he won by decision?
Right here.
Maybe it was – no, he lost to Arona. Is that possible?
Maybe you should look for the same card with Crazy Horse.
He lost to him and then he beat him. He lost to Arona and then he beat him. Decision split. I wonder if it was that one.
2005.
I wonder if it was that one. Click on Pride Shockwave 2005.. Let's see. Who else is on that card? Is Crazy Horse on that card?
Charles Bennett?
Yeah.
That's it.
That's the one. That's the one. He fought Arona and he won a decision. I was looking for video. And I remember – Crazy Horse is so nuts.
Look at that video of Crazy Horse staring at the camera. Click on that. Is that a highlight of Crazy Horse? Yeah. Crazy Horse had power.
Yeah.
I mean he just put people to sleep. He put a lot of people to sleep. Compact power too.
Yeah. He never went to the UFC, though, huh? Nope. He couldn't get his shit together.
He's just – he's a wild fella.
What the fuck is wrong with him?
I mean he fought with gold teeth and he fought with a gold grill in. And then he had a mouthpiece on top that was gold too. But I don't even know where he trained.
I forgot where he was from. Texas, or somewhere, wasn't it?
I don't remember. But, I mean, it did not have, like, the ultimate skill set. He just had crazy power and he was just wild. Very wild.
He was strong. Very strong. He didn't have that much jujitsu, though, huh?
No, it wasn't that good on the ground. But on the feet, I mean, I don't think he ever submitted to anybody that I can remember. But he fucked a lot of people up, man. Anybody that stood in front of that dude went night-night. And you could see it.
Once he hit them, like, one time, the difference in the power. They'd be like, oh, God. It's crazy. Power like that is really crazy. Some people just have – like, did you watch the light heavyweight title fight this weekend?
Oh, my God, yeah. Oh, my God.
Boloton, man. Alex Pereira. That fucking power is nuts.
You know what? I was thinking, like, how I would have done if I was in my prime fighting somebody like that. You can be honest.
You have very good wrestling skills. The difference is you're very strong. You were always a very strong light heavyweight and you had very good wrestling skills. You know, he hasn't really fought anybody. that's an elite wrestler.
yet. You know, I mean, think about who has he fought that could really wrestle. Prohaska is like a – he's got crazy KO power. He's got good karate skills. And he did win by choking out Glover.
He did win with a choke. So it's not like. he doesn't have skills. But he's not – he's not some Daniel Cormier type dude. He's just an elite wrestler.
Is this the video footage of the fight? It cuts off on the fight, so it's got to exist somewhere else. But this is a documentary about Crazy Horse.
But is it? Is that the behind the scenes?
It shows, like, a picture of them. It says can't show the footage as YouTuber restrict the footage. What? YouTuber restricts fights? It could age, restrict the video, and they're probably trying not to have that.
Oh, so they're just showing it. So he catches them in a triangle with jeans on, chokes them to sleep, out cold with his phone in his hand. Wait, what is that?
That's the pass. It's the pass.
So he wakes them up. He's like, oh, shit.
They shouldn't have had him in that locker room with them anyway.
No chance. Yeah, that's a terrible idea. There's Vandily.
He's talking about it?
Yeah, there's an interview with him talking about it. Vandily says he just turned and hit me.
Oh, he's trying to say he got sucker punched.
Probably did. But also, they were probably talking a lot of shit, and they probably thought they could keep talking shit before getting hit. And Crazy Horse was just...
Well, where was this corner? man? Who was with them?
Well, I think they just thought they'd get away with it. You know, they probably didn't think he was going to swing on them, especially since Charles was light. What did he fight at?
Probably 55s.
Probably something like that.
Something like that.
Yeah, and Vandily was a big 200.
Yeah, 205.
. He was a big 205.. Yeah. But I was talking about, maybe like when I... The era of the Rampage, when I fought Chuck Liddell.
I probably wouldn't have tried to take Alex down.
You would have stood with him?
I probably would have tried until he started fucking me up. Then I'm like, oh shit, then it's time to take him down.
Did you ever fight anybody who calf kicked you?
Yeah, Forrest.
Forrest Griffin did? Yeah.
Yeah. Interesting. The first two rounds. I think the first round or something, he fucked my calf up. I'd never seen that kick before.
Really? Interesting.
Never even trained against it.
Because that was 2008? 2008..
Interesting. My worst year ever.
Yeah. He calf kicked the shit out of me. I was like, what the fuck? What the fuck is this? This shit was hurting.
Yeah, no one does it like Alex Pereira does. He does it so sneaky. Also, he's got that crazy long frame. But he stands almost like square. And then just throws the leg out.
You don't even see anything coming. There's no tell at all. There's no dip. There's no step. He just throws it out there.
And all of a sudden, you see, guys, legs get fucked up. One or two of them, and you can't move good.
And that guy, he just came out of nowhere, just fucking people up.
Well, I knew about him before because I watched kickboxing. And I had seen him in kickboxing. I was like, if this guy comes into MMA, everybody's fucked. Because he was fucking everybody up with big gloves on. He would hit dudes.
And you could see that it was just like they had never been hit like that before. I remember the first time I saw him fight, he KO'd Dustin Jacoby. And he hit him with a left hook that just spun his head around. I was like, oh, my God.
Yeah, I heard he had a crazy left hook.
That's his main weapon. If you thought about one weapon that he knocks everybody out with, I mean, that's the one. he knocked Jamal Hill out with. The first fight with, or the first knockdown with Yuri, the first fight with Yuri, he knocked him out with a left hook.
Did he get Izzy?
Adesanya, he got him with a left hook. He gets everybody with that left hook. Yeah, but it's not like. that's the only weapon. Anything he hits you with, you're fucked.
But if you know, he got a big left hook, how come you don't train to just keep your hand up, so you just look out for it? That's what boxers do. I don't understand it.
He throws a nasty jab to the body, too. And that's one of the things he did with Yuri. He throws his jab to the body, and it sounded like a right hand. It was just a blap, blap. And it was like this fight.
he fought different than he fought the first fight. I think the first fight. he let Yuri get a little wild, and then he was like trying to find his openings. And this fight he was like, I'm going to shut all that wild shit down.
It was a short notice. fight for them, too, wasn't it?
Yeah, a couple weeks, just a couple of weeks. I think Yuri got three weeks. And Alex, when he found out about the fight, I believe he was in Australia doing seminars. And they said, hey, do you want to defend your light heavyweight title international fight week in three weeks? He was like, let me think about this for a little bit.
So there's the left hook.
I see this.
Boom.
Fade away left hook.
He's just got a lot of power in that hook. It's crazy power. He's a big guy, too, huh?
He's huge. And there's the head kick. They should have stopped that fight the moment he went down. They should have let him eat all those extra shots. I mean, he was done.
I think Herb wanted to give him a chance because the first fight got stopped a little premature. The thing about that guy is you can't let that guy hurt you because he'll hit you one more time. And if he hits you one more time, you're gone.
Yeah, but, you know, sometimes you just be caught in the moment. Like people give me shit for hitting Ben Aley like three more times when I knocked him out in the UFC. Sometimes you just get caught in the moment.
Yeah, you don't even know what's happening, right?
Yeah, you don't know.
Also, that guy, you had history with that guy.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, and you wanted to get that back.
He deserved it, but I know I shouldn't have did it. If I would have been in my right mind, I wouldn't have gave him. Because it's much cooler to have a walk-off knockout, you know? Right. But I wouldn't have gave him those extras.
But the day before, he pushed me at the weigh-ins. Yeah. And he talked shit to me, you know, at that rules meeting or whatever. Mm-hmm. And he was talking shit to me, like I was scared of him.
I was like, bro, come on.
I was like, I was in the zone.
I guess he felt like, because he had beaten you twice, that it was going to be, you know, you were in his head.
Not only did he beat me, he gave me two of the worst ass-whoopings I ever had in my career. And so he probably thought that was in the back of my head. But I think most times people get like that, you know, they get where, oh, this guy got my number, blah, blah, blah. I didn't have any of those feelings. I just knew, I always knew I could beat him.
But the first two times I fought him, I think the first time I fought him, I had fought Chuck Liddell 45 minutes before.
Mm-hmm.
And then the second time, I went through this crazy religious thing where I got born again, first day of training camp. Whoa. Yeah.
What happened there?
Craziest thing in my life. Craziest. I still, I still, it's like, it's the craziest thing that ever happened to me. You know, back then I was a single parent. I had got custody of my son.
He was three years old. And just overnight I was a dad. And I'm trying to fight in Japan and everything. And I don't, and after that, after that Rona fight, like I was saying, I got real famous in Japan. And then I was going out, partying a lot and drinking.
And I never became an alcoholic, because, you know, I don't like alcoholics and stuff like that, because my dad used to be one. I always drink socially. But then I started craving alcohol. So long, story short, I think one thing led to another. And one day I just had this crazy dream and I was at home and it seemed like it was a devil in my chest with his hands like this.
I never forget having his hands in my chest and had some female spirits around. And he was saying, it's OK, it's OK, it's OK. And I was like, just laying there in my dream. And I heard a voice said, do you know this man? Like, no.
They said, well, you're not OK. What is not OK? I said, oh. And I jumped up and I went to go. I was scared as fuck.
I'm a big bad motherfucker, fucking people up. And I was scared. And I went to go wake my son up. And he said he was dreaming. He wouldn't tell me his dream because he didn't like me that much, because, you know, I just got cussed out.
And I'm being the father figure, making him eat healthy and telling him no and stuff like that. So he wouldn't tell me a whole lot. But he said he was dreaming. So my friend finally got out of him. He said when my dad woke me up, God and the devil was fighting.
And God hit the devil with the sword. And when I woke him up, he just did like this. Just purged a lot of white pus out of his mouth. What? Yeah, crazy.
True story. So I take him. That's not even the scary part. That wasn't what scared me. What scared me was.
I took him to preschool and I got back in my car and I must have the radio on. As soon as I turned the radio on, it was something. It was a commercial on. I didn't know at the time what commercial it was, but it said the curse of such and such. Your soul is mine.
That scared the shit out of me. I turned the radio off for six weeks. Six weeks. I found out later it was a fucking commercial for Revenge of the Mummy Ride and fucking Six Flags. That shit scared me straight.
Hell, yeah. Oh, my God.
Scared me straight, bro. Wow. And then that night I couldn't sleep. Me and my son, we went to go sleep over at one of my friends' house. And this is what brought me to being born again, what Christians say.
I had to piss. And I was over at my friend's house. It was really dark. I told you I was scared. I couldn't sleep in my room.
Me and my son sleeping on the floor in my friend's room. And I had to take a piss. And my son was wet in the bed and he was lying a lot. I'm trying to teach him not to lie and teach him not to wet the bed. And I was wet in the bed and blame it on him because I was too scared to go to the bathroom.
You were too scared to go to the bathroom. That's so nuts.
Yeah. And what I did, I prayed to God because my dad had just got saved like two years before. He said he was praying for me. And I remember what my dad said. He said, oh, when you pray to God, just say in Jesus' name.
So I was like, God, I'm a coward right now. Just take this fear from my heart in Jesus' name. I love you. Amen. And within two minutes, I was laughing and crying at the same time.
And I received the Holy Ghost Spirit. And I wasn't afraid. I went to go use the restroom. My eyes were different. Everything was different, right?
Wow. That's the first day of training camp for Ventilator, the second fight. And then so I'm training for Ventilator. My coach thought I was crazy. He brought a preacher in.
He thought I lost my mind, thought I was crazy. Because, you know, I'm totally—you know how I was back then. I was saying a whole bunch of crazy shit, doing a whole bunch of crazy shit. And, again, I didn't cuss anymore. It just changed me right away.
And then my coach found out I wasn't crazy. But it was the start of, you know, our relationship going south. And I started training for Ventilator. And then he got closer to fight. And I was like, I'm going to kill this motherfucker.
I'm going to kill him. And I'm thinking in my mind, like, I'm Christian. now. I can't be thinking like that. It was the most confusing part of my life.
And so I fasted like an idiot. I fasted for like three or four days because I read in the Bible that you fast to get closer to God and all that stuff. And it's true. I got closer to God. But it wasn't a good idea to fast before a fucking championship fight.
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