JRE MMA Show #161 with Khalil Rountree Jr.
2024-07-31 02:20:07
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We were just talking about eating pigeon, so I was in Europe and I had pigeon, and it's a red meat.
Wait, pigeon's a red meat.
Yeah, it's red and they serve it very rare, yeah.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
I know, wait.
First of all, eating pigeon is just, it's different, but you're telling me that it's red meat and they serve it rare.
Yeah, it's rare.
I need more details, I know.
I was a little stunned, too. When the guy, well, the chef, basically, he brought us out food, right? We didn't order off the menu, he just brought us out this food. And when the pigeon came, that's, yeah, it looks red, man.
Like, it looks almost like you're eating a piece of steak.
It's like, before you prep it, you know, like this is not what I would expect, it being like, getting served this.
Well, there's a bunch of different birds that have red meat, like Ostrich, Ostrich is red meat.
I didn't know that either.
Yeah, I used to get Ostrich burgers at Fuddruckers, I think Fuddruckers went under, unfortunately.
You know what, I think? I did have an Ostrich burger at Fuddruckers like years ago. Yeah, that's what I think about it.
It's the shit, it's very good, okay?
Wow, so wait, tell me more about this. What's the word again? How do you say it?
Squab, squab, that's what they call it.
They call it squab.
But this guy just said it was pigeon.
It's like pigeon breast.
Yeah, it's pigeon breast, it's like a red meat.
It does look kind of juicy, like when you see a pigeon, they're pretty, like they're pretty jacked, so I'd imagine it's a good cutlet.
Well, this conversation started off air, because that's what it looks like. That's the rib eye of this guy. Oh, okay, that's Sandhill Crane now, look at that.
Doesn't that look like beef?
Yeah, it looks like beef.
They call them rib eyes in the sky. That's sandhill cranes. Wow, it's delicious, apparently I've never had it, but it's supposed to be insanely delicious.
Wow, okay, yeah, they hunt them in Texas, it's a big one in Texas.
That's interesting.
Yeah, so we were talking about animals that have been modified. Like, we were looking at Carl and we were like, how crazy is it that a human, over thousands of years, altered by select breeding, created that thing? It's kind of nuts.
Yeah, I mean, since we're on the topic, this is kind of weird. There was one night I was going down this crazy YouTube spiral and there was some guy who was just making creations like he used human....
He was just cross-fertilizing shit, oh God, yeah, it was the craziest thing ever.
Chimeras, right?
I don't know what the hell you call it, but he was making these creatures and then they were living in these jars. And then it would fast forward. Three weeks, four weeks, and they're growing. And one of them had this crazy little eye, and it was the weirdest shit I've ever seen, which then led me down. Going in another spiral where it's like, apparently there are people around the world who will do breed goat mixed with fucking human. It's just weird, man, there's a whole other world out there, there's a whole other world out there.
So the Russians were trying to do that in World War I or World War II? Which World War was it? So the Russians were trying to make a hybrid human-slash-chimpanzee? And the idea was you get a super-violent psycho-human. And you don't have to worry about Russians dying, you got this fucking creation because Russians were dying by the millions.
World War I and World War II were fucking.
It would have been World War I, World War I, unbelievably brutal. So, Hybridization of Animals is famous for controversial attempts to create a human-ape hybrid by inseminating three female chimpanzees with human sperm.
Yeah, it's wild.
Yeah, bro, they were trying wild shit, they were trying to make something so that they could send it off to war.
Did we have?
Did they succeed? We don't know, we don't know. That's the crazy thing.
Where are these test things going? where are the test subjects? What the hell happened?
Well, listen, I think we both agree for sure. There's a clone out there in the world, right?
There has to be something.
There has to be right. They must have tried that. Yeah, they've done it with sheep, they do it with....
You can get your dog cloned, you can get Carl cloned. Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
No hesitation. Yeah, please. If you get Carl cloned, I want version two because Carl is just amazing.
Expensive clone Yeah, Carl's. Yeah, they're very expensive, right? It's like 25 grand, I think.
I don't know how much I would sell them for. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, because Carl's be worth some money, but I think it's a lot of money. But they can do it. The whole dolly, the sheep thing, that was the first animal they cloned.
I think there was a bunch of failed attempts. What is the odds that it comes out exactly like your dog? It might be all fucked up, it might be psychotic, it might have no soul.
You don't know, yeah right, it may look like your dog, but who knows what the hell's going on?
Right, but it'd be real creepy, it'd fucking chew on wires, it'd fucking....
It's like the very dark, satanic version of your dog or pet. Sematary Yeah, exactly.
Remember pet Sematary? Yeah, dude, yeah, you bury the pet, the pet comes back, but now it's still kind of your pet. But now it's evil.
Oh, fuck that, no. Just thinking about that, it freaks me out, but I think that I don't know how I went down that spiral, but....
You can go down some YouTube rabbit holes, man, Yeah, dude, I've gone down some serious YouTube rabbit holes.
Yeah.
I spent like four hours once researching this theory about Neanderthals, that this guy, there's one dude that thought that Neanderthals, we have this idea of Neanderthals, that they look just like us.
Okay.
And he thinks, No, he thinks. They probably look more like gorillas, and they probably were covered in hair, and they were probably able to see at night, and they were probably super violent. And they might have hunted us. So he had this whole theory about these super predator, chimpanzee-looking Neanderthals.
That sounds interesting.
Yeah, crazy, dude, crazy, but most likely not correct. Most people, the real anthropologists that have studied this stuff, are like, No, no, no, no.
We know some of them had red hair, but red hair could be like orangutans have red hair.
Yep.
But they had giant eyeballs and they were just very different than us, but close enough that we interbred with them.
Yeah, I gotta see this. This type of stuff is super interesting. It's hard for me to get into fantasy books and stuff like that, but YouTube videos on this Neanderthal kind of theory or whatever.
I spent so much time just going down rabbit holes.
Brain ticklers.
Yeah, I don't know if it's made me a better person.
It just fucks up your thought process, just driving down the street and having random thoughts.
It'll make for good conversation. I always have things I can pull up because there's always stuff in there.
It's nice to have the friends that are in the same little.
They're open to some of the weird shit, so you can just have fun conversations.
And I have friends that go too far. They'll call Eddie Bravo up and I'll just go, I gotta go. I can't take this. He's so deep, he's so deep in the CIA.
MkUltra The deepest of the deep. He's in that shit all day long, and my friend Kurt Metzger, he's the worst if I call him up.
He knows everything about every conspiracy that's ever happened, and he knows all the people that were involved. And he'll start rattling things off to you, like, Oh my God, you give me anxiety.
Yeah, it probably freaks you out. I can only imagine you're like, Okay, stop, it's too much, yeah.
Especially today, it seems like the world could fucking explode at any minute.
At any minute, dude, what the hell are we living in? Yeah, that's why I guess it's better to just kind of, yeah. You've got to put a stop to what we consume or what information we want to let into our brains.
I know Jesus.
There's a.
Was it Avi Levinovich? Is that the guy that was on the podcast? He's a great phrase. We have processed food is bad for you.
Ultra processed food, This is processed information, and that's the way he described it. It's like, oh yeah, it's like junk food for your brain.
But you're eating snacks instead of taking in a meal.
That's so crazy, it reminds me, I don't know why. Kind of off subject, but on, you know, the comedian Ronny Chieng.
Yes, so he had a really, really funny part in his most recent stand-up bit. And he talks a lot about social media and just the internet and this country, everything. But he said, one thing, he's like something about Americans.
He's like, it's very common, Americans are like, I'll die for my country, I'll die. And he's like, How about you read a book for your country? He's like, How about that?
It was funny coming from him, Ronny's funny man, he's funny, I guess. What brought that up is process information, we have a lot of fast info.
Somebody can divvy up a video really quick and put it out there, and it's the first thing we see, so we believe it or something can go viral. And we've seen it a bunch of times and then on to the next thing and we're getting this information. But it's a lot different than, like, okay, let me pick up a book or a couple things and actually read it and see if these things align.
And like, Okay, now I can kind of formulate it, like, Okay, this is closer to the truth.
And actual understanding the history of how these things are figured out, how this is formulated. What led to that, instead of just the article, or, worse yet, a YouTube or TikTok video?
Yeah, exactly.
How many people are educated by TikTok today?
Everybody, that's a lot.
I really firmly believe that it's like shifting the way people think about things in a negative direction. I used to poo-poo it, I used to think, Ah, the algorithm, whatever, but now I'm like, Oh, it's definitely fucking up the country 100%.
And I think China's doing it on purpose, I think it's brilliant.
Yeah, I mean, I've heard that. I definitely don't have the capacity to figure out if it's the truth or not, but I did hear that it's kind of crazy.
Well, you know, their TikTok's very different than ours.
That's what I heard. It's all science and positive stuff, martial arts, very informational martial arts.
Yep, Science Achievements, Athletic performance, Academics, Ratchet.
The worst?
Just the craziest stuff ever. I've seen more people get shot on Instagram reels and accounts I don't even follow. Yeah, right.
So it's like, Instagram knows that I'm watching fucked up things, so they're showing me like, you know, failed carjacking attempts, all kinds of stuff. People get run over by trucks like every day, man.
I created a TikTok like shortly because my wife was using it and they have like, shopping or something on there. So I was like, Oh, let me just download it really quick. So I downloaded it and like, after the first day, it started feeding me these like.
Pages that were like homeless people in like Arizona and like California, that were just like hooked on, like fentanyl. And I was like, what the hell? And they get deep into their stories, like some guy's like interviewing them like, how long you been out here?
And I'm sitting here watching this and like, 20 minutes goes by and I'm like, Why am I depressed, you know? Like, why do I feel like the weight of the world is on my shoulders right now? And I realize, like, Holy shit.
Like, I'm just, I'm literally here in my living room, watching like drug addicts on the street, just like, completely waste their lives away.
Meanwhile, you're living the life that they could only dream of. If you take a young guy before his life goes sideways and say, What do you want to do with? Well, it's like, if I could just wave a magic wand, I would like be a badass. Fighting in the UFC, all fucking jacked and young and strong, and one of the top contenders up and coming. Meanwhile, you're depressed.
Yeah.
Looking at people that you don't even know.
It's crazy, dude, it's crazy.
I think that's how they're doing it to us.
Oh man.
Because no matter where you are, there's something that you can watch that will freak you out.
That will freak you out, bring you down, just like change your mindset, slow you down, whatever it is.
I was talking to Sugar Sean about that and he was saying that just scrolling through TikTok or Instagram stuff that doesn't have anything to do with him, he goes. I just get this like mild form of anxiety, this like mild case of. I'm like, I do too, I do too. I don't know why. I think part of it for me is I know I'm wasting time, I know I should be doing other things.
I'm fucking busy, I don't have time to be watching people get shot, but why am I watching it? I can't stop, I just keep fucking scrolling.
Yeah.
Especially if you're taking a shit.
Oh, that's the worst dude.
I don't even know how to take a shit without my I'm like, –.
I take one-hour shits now because of my fucking phone, because of my phone, it's like, I can't just get in there and do the business, dude. I got to intentionally leave my phone outside to just to do what I'm there to do, but if I bring my phone in there, it's a wrap.
It's a wrap, because if I don't have my phone in there, I'm like Ricky Bobby in Talladega Nights.
I don't know what to do with my hands, I'm like, Where's my phone? Oh shit.
What percentage of people take a shit with their phone now? I want to know.
99.
9.
Guys, men.
100%.
100, it has to be 100. It's how I find out half the things that are going on in my life.
You know, one thing that bugs the shit out of me, though? If you're going to take a shit in a public place. Like for instance like the PI, right? If I'm at the UFC, PI just got done a workout, whatever, I got to take a shit. The guy next to me, turn your fucking phone down, like, don't blast it.
I don't want to hear what you're listening to. I'm trying to watch my shit too, you know?
Don't make me go in there with Bluetooth earpods, don't make me fucking listen to. That's when you know you're a degenerate, when you put your earpods in, when you're taking a shit, that's when you got a real problem.
Yeah, you're gone.
You've gone too far down the rabbit hole. Have you fucked around with any of that AR stuff, those goggles?
Augmented reality only. Like the MetAquest, I haven't tried the Apple Vision Pros yet. the MetAquest is dope. as soon as I try the Vision Pro, it's over.
I'm going to be wearing those things like.
Because when the Metaquest came out, when I first had it, you couldn't get me off the thing. It's incredible. I was like, Oh shit, look around playing these games, take it off like, Oh my wow, exhilarating.
But yeah, I know if I were to get the Apple Vision Pro, it would be over because there's just so many cool things.
What did I see recently? There was something that they were using AI, this woman was talking to her deceased daughter, her young daughter died, and Ai had recreated her daughter. And with these goggles on these VR goggles, she was having a conversation with her daughter.
I was like, yo.
I vaguely remember seeing something like that.
This is brand new, but I think it's this.
Oh yeah, this is it, this is so crazy.
This is so crazy.
Yeah.
She's seeing her deceased daughter and trying to touch her. Oh my God.
This is like what we were talking about about the phone, right? Just putting ourselves through this depression and stuff, dude, this is crazy.
This is crazy, she can't even touch her, so she's reaching out like she wants to touch her.
Yeah, and she's crying.
Look at that, oh my God, she's just holding the glove she has, she probably can feel something. This is what we're seeing, how they're showing it to the viewer.
Oh my god, that's so incredible. Oh man, look at that. Oh my God.
There's probably maybe a version of it that feels good to her, but this could be pretty bad.
God, that's so sad.
Oh my god.
Man, we're so close to the Matrix, we're so close.
We're in the matrix, dude.
I think we might be Michael Ballas was saying it yesterday. He thinks it is a simulation, Elon said. The chances of it not being a simulation are one in billions.
Yeah, he thinks it's 100 a simulation.
I There's too many things that, there's too many coincidences, right? Like, even I might sound like an idiot for saying something like this.
This podcast is a normal thing, bro.
I mean, think about stuff like the Simpsons dude, right? you see those Simpsons theories and shit. It's like, come on, this is too accurate.
Yeah, they called everything.
This is years ago, you know, these episodes came out years ago. How are things like this aligning, or, like, how are these, you know, matching it? Just? It's weird.
It is really weird.
It's really weird.
It's weird. And why is us being in a simulation any stranger than reality itself? Just the universe itself? Just the fact that we are one planet of nine in this one solar system. That is one of hundreds of billions of solar systems in this galaxy, and that this galaxy is one of hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe. The whole thing is so crazy.
The idea that we're in some sort of a program, why is that more crazy? Like everything about us is crazy, subatomic particles are crazy, the way our body is designed is crazy.
The fact that you can make a carl out of a wolf is fucking crazy, all of it's crazy.
Yeah, I mean, even listening to you right now, as you were kind of breaking down how pretty much insignificant we are. I just kind of like, everything started zeroing in. I was like, Oh, no, get out of this thought, No, but you're absolutely right.
I think we are significant and insignificant at the same time. Yeah, I don't think we're invaluable. I don't buy the thing like the people that are like, really dark about it all and like, Oh, life is meaningless. It's like, No, I don't think that's true.
No, I don't think that's meaningless at all. No, like you said, there's an equal like significance, insignificance. Like when you look at it in the grand scheme of things, you zoom out. We're tiny, you can't even see us, you know, if you're from an airplane.
You look down, you can't even see the humans, right, right? So that makes us feel a little bit small. But like, I don't know something about us inside, how we feel, how we perceive things. The power that we have in numbers, right? Like the intelligence that we have to create things like AI and laser beams and all this stuff. I mean, that's pretty damn significant in my opinion.
We're very significant, we're just a part of the whole thing. The whole thing is just infinitely massive. And we think of ourselves as small because we're just one piece of it, but we're like, I think we're a critical piece of it.
And I think what we are is like the purveyors of creativity. And I think creativity is like a thing that's in the universe that forces intelligent animals to make things. And I think we're like an antenna of this creativity. And then we put it out there and then eventually we're going to leave this planet.
We're going to go to other planets and colonize and put that stuff out there in the world. And probably not even in the form that you and I are in right now. Yeah, it will probably be some hybrid form.
Some hybrid form, for sure, some cyborg form. There was an episode I forgot the gentleman's name. Ah man, super, super intelligent guy.
Older guy and he was talking about the different forms of like....
Civilizations.
Civilizations.
Michio Kaku Yes, man.
How interesting was that?
Yes, yes, do you know about Dyson Spheres? No, so they believe, excuse me.
This is just a theory. But they believe that when a civilization reaches an incredible level of technological proficiency, they're going to be able to develop these enormous structures that capture all the energy of a star. Okay, so literally surround the star with this structure. And they think they might have detected these structures in the universe now.
Now these structures are just theoretical, okay, these Dyson spheres, but they believe through there's a thing called the James Webb telescope.
Yep, it's like the most powerful, you know about that, so this most powerful of space telescopes is. Now. They're getting information that they think might indicate that these things could be a Dyson sphere.
So you can find anything about that.
Huh.
So what is this? So right here in our galaxy? What is that? Just a tic-tac?
See if there's an article 60 Dyson Sphere candidates look at that.
Go up to the one that says, candidates, Yeah, so this is from May, so they've found these things. Amongst there's these....
I don't know how they detect why they think this is a Dyson sphere. But if it just makes sense that if civilization can go from being hunter-gatherers to being people that fly in airplanes and look at VR and enter into the matrix. Like, we're clearly doing that. If you just keep that going a thousand years, a million years, you're going to get to some insane level of technological ability. You have to, yeah.
You absolutely have to, yeah, so maybe we are just like, kind of in the beginning stages of like, you know, maybe? There's humans elsewhere in the galaxies, far, far, far away, like some Star Wars type shit, right? And we just haven't gotten there yet, but we're close.
I mean, we're seeing how close we're getting with everything.
That's what Terrence Howard had a crazy theory about.
I have to watch that one, I've seen little clips, but I've got to....
They're both good, the first one's great because he just kind of goes kooky, and then the second one's great. Because Eric Weinstein, who's like a legitimate genius from Harvard, sort of settles him down and explains what's incorrect and what is correct. And some of the stuff is very correct, and some of the stuff is really fascinating.
I mean, Terrence is clearly a genius, but he's like self-taught, and sometimes when you don't have peers correcting you....
You've got to have that.
Yeah, you have to have actual. It's like, if a martial artist like, I've got this move bro, and you're like, try this shit on me.
You know, right?
It works in the streets, it works on everybody. It's like, no, try it on me.
But Terrence has this brilliant idea about that. What happens is you have a star, and then the particles that eject from the star are what creates these planets. And when the planets get to a certain distance from the star. When they develop that Goldilocks zone, he goes, they eventually develop people, and he thinks it's like peopling, it's like when you see, like, crops growing.
Oh, it's the time of the year, the rain and the soil, crops are growing, and oh, they're far away from the sun, they're peopling, they're making people.
And that this is what happens, and that as time passes, and this society, if it survives, doesn't kill itself. Gets further and further from the sun. It has to develop the technological ability to keep the planet hospitable, and then it goes even past that. To the point where they develop these things like Dyson spheres. And they develop the ability to manipulate their environment, create black holes, they develop the ability, essentially to create new universes. Yeah.
Ultimately, over hundreds of millions of years, or whatever it takes.
So he explained this and then someone, you said, stepped in and kind of like,....
No, that, no, he didn't correct. Okay, because that's just a theory, and it's a fascinating theory, and Terrence has a lot of really interesting ideas. But that was one of the most interesting ones. That every solar system, the reason why we see it here, and the reason why. When they look at the web telescope, it's found a bunch of these planets that are in the Goldilocks zone.
And he thinks that this is just a normal occurrence. Wow, that these planets. As time goes on, our planet is getting further from the sun, and eventually the sun will burn out. But as time goes on, as our planet gets further and further from the sun, it's not going to be hospitable anymore.
It's going to get to a point where it's like, Mars, and Mars, at one point in time, was hospitable Mars. They think Mars had water on it, Mars might have even had life on it, we don't know.
But it could be billions and billions of years ago. Wow, yeah. So this theory is pretty wild. That, like all this stuff, is just basically particles that eject from the sun and that eventually coalesce and form a sphere and form a planet.
And initially, these planets are like, very close to the Sun, and they're, you know, insanely hot. Yeah, but as they get further and further out, they reach that Goldilocks zone, and that's when they start developing life.
And then ultimately develop a very highly intelligent form of life.
Wow.
Yeah.
Do we know where this theory, like, came from?
I think that's Terence's theory. Ah, Terence has 97 patents. What does that mean? I don't know.
Because apparently people that have explained it to me say, you can actually just file patents. And the people that are working in the office, they're not sophisticated enough to know, especially in various disciplines, as to whether or not what you're saying is real or actionable. It's like, is this something that you could really have a patent for? But they'll let you file for the patent, so it's one of those things.
Yeah, wow. But the idea that every solar system eventually has a planet that gets to that spot where it's just enough, so it gets water just enough. So it has, like, all of the things that's necessary for life. And then if you want to get really crazy, then you think that. The planets that are farther and further out that have the super intelligent, ultra advanced species. What they do is they come back and they help us. Ah.
They come back and then fucking pick up the pace, boys.
Yeah.
You know what I mean? Yeah, like, they give us a little crashed UFO here and there, they give us a little this, give us a little that.
Maybe even manipulate us, that's the ultimate theory.
The ultimate theory? I mean, that sounds kind of cool, right?
Well, it's almost like Carl, just like Carl. Yeah, he looks very different than a fucking wolf, right?
We look very different from all the people on the planet, like there's so many varieties of humans. Yes, we're very similar to dogs in that regard, in that we can all breed with each other, but yet we look very different.
Ah, okay, so you can take like a golden retriever, and they breed them with a poodle or a labrador. You make a labradoodle. Yeah, you know, but they're still dogs, yeah.
Right, but they look very, very different, very different. Well, that's only dogs that are like that, right?
Yeah, like fish, bass all look like bass. yeah, zebras look like zebras. There's something about us that's fucking real weird.
And you can attribute it to climate and different environments you grow in. Some of those changes have to have taken place from that, too, for sure. But if you buy into all this anunnaki crazy shit. The reason why we are so different than all the other primates is because they introduced their DNA to us.
Yes, and created us.
Oh, wow, and created us out of lower hominids, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is so fun.
It's super cool, yeah.
It's so fun to think if it's true.
I've looked at some of that stuff a little bit before, but I didn't allow myself to get too deep.
Yeah, you can get deep on that.
But yeah, definitely an interesting perspective and way to kind of break down humanity in a way.
Well, we are a mystery, you know? We are the ones who have created this theory of evolution and the fossil record and all those things. But the thing that created it is the biggest mystery. The human brain. The human brain doubled in size over a period of two million years, and apparently it's the biggest mystery in the entire fossil record. They have no idea what happened.
Is it still growing?
Probably, it's probably just growing slow, you know, another two million years from now, it might double again.
Yeah, I wonder if there's any record of like, I don't know, maybe just the slightest, you know, record of like, Okay, it's growing, right?
No wonder.
500 years ago, right now, has there been any increase in size, right, right?
Have you got, like, the average brain size of everybody today? like, how far back do we have really good records of brain size, you know?
Yeah.
Got to go back to, like Kennedy's assassination.
Probably nothing earlier than that.
I mean, I'm sure there's anatomy records that go further than that. Probably, you know, maybe the 30s or the 40s. Like, when did they start studying the size and weights of human brains? I wonder.
I wouldn't know, but it makes actually. I'm making notes right now. Like Terrence Howard, like, I got to look into this guy more. All I know is just like Terrence is fascinating, you know, his acting.
Well, he's a great actor.
Yeah, super great.
He's a great actor, but I mean, I think he's even more interesting as a thinker. But the way he responded, I think, showed a lot of character, the way he responded to Eric Weinstein correcting him on stuff. Because he didn't, you know? He kind of tried to argue his point, but he didn't get upset, he didn't get emotional about it.
He didn't get attached to his ideas.
It showed he's a brilliant guy that doesn't have all the information, but he's brilliant. But there's a giant difference between being a brilliant person and being a person that has information. There's a lot of brilliant people that don't have any information. You know, which is why, like, there's people like, I firmly believe that to be great at athletics, it takes a kind of intelligence.
And you're not measuring it in an IQ, but to pretend that someone is like a Wayne Gretzky. He's not some kind of a genius, you know, or a Federer or an elite MMA fighter. You have to be a kind of a genius. Because you're navigating this most difficult of world where microsecond decisions get made, training, instinct, discipline, the will to carve out this existence.
And all those things, you have to have a fucking, truly, truly exceptional mind to be able to do those things.
I agree, 100. Yeah. Anybody that's doing things at just like a really high level, or like, they're doing things differently. Or they're like the number one, two and three in there.
In anything.
In anything, yeah, there's definitely a level of....
And if you're focusing at physics, well, everybody thinks you're a genius. But if you're focusing on hockey, people don't think you're a genius. Or if you're focusing on chess, maybe people think you're a genius, but if you're focusing on jujitsu, maybe they don't think you're a genius, yeah.
And it's kind of interesting, yeah, but I think they're all geniuses. Yeah, for sure. I think every one of those people if they had the physical capability....
Because obviously some people, unfortunately, have terrible genetics and they're just never going to be an elite athlete. Mm-hmm. But if you have the physical ability, that's only like a little tiny piece of it, yeah.
The real piece is the mental part of navigating, not just the training, but the improving and then the ability to execute under pressure.
To execute under pressure, you've got to have the mental side, to even drive the physical side, right? You can be a physical specimen. How I'm built, right? But I know nothing about football.
So it's not like I can just right, right right. I'd have to develop some type of brilliance or some type of....
You'd have to train.
I'd have to train, yeah, I'd have to think I'd have to do all these things.
But you look like you can play football.
That's what I'm saying. I look like I can play football, but my mind's not wired that way, right? So I'd have to do a lot to make that happen.
And then obviously there's a lot of football players that look like a beast, but if you get them in a cage, they have no idea what to do.
Nothing, dude. They wouldn't be able to throw a punch.
We've seen it.
It's so crazy.
We've seen it, Yes, we have. We've seen guys that are badasses, but there's a difference between being a badass versus a trained fighter. It's just a whole different world.
And it requires not just physical work, it requires a kind of brilliance. And just because Terrence doesn't have that information, he's a brilliant guy. If he had that information, he'd be even more brilliant, he'd be more relatable to all these other brilliant people.
That's really interesting, man. I want to look into Terrence Howard more, actually.
It's fun.
Yeah, I like this. I want to explore the side that you're explaining to me. I would have never really known, but I'd like to be inspired by that.
I'd like to just hear this guy out.
Well, I had a reporter tell me about him years ago. And then I watched some YouTube videos of him. And one of them, he was at Oxford talking to them about mathematics.
See, that's so cool, what the hell?
Yeah, what the hell crazy, the whole thing was crazy. But it's just we should be inspired. There's a lot of interesting people out there in this world.
Yeah, a lot of people that have some really great ways of looking at things and inspiring stories. When you think about what they've done and how they've done it, it really fuels us all. One of the reasons why we like sports when we're not even participating in it is because it's so inspirational, yeah.
If you watch a great fight and someone wins, you're like, Oh my god, that was incredible, you leave, you're like, energized.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, or magic shows.
Comedy shows. I mean, honestly, dude, honestly.
Pretty much anything.
Yeah, yeah, anything that requires that stuff.
Yeah, you get energy from it, you really do. There's a type of energy that we humans get from each other, and I think that kind of energy that we get from each other doing things that. Also, it's beneficial to us evolutionarily, because I think it promotes more work.
It promotes things getting done, it actually fuels things getting done.
So like, similar to, like the Olympics, are you watching the Olympics right now at all?
Bro, I watch that fucking transgender woman boxer box the female boxer. I'm like, what the fuck are you people doing what?
Oh, dude, honestly, I haven't seen much every bar or whatever, anything that has a television. Right now. I've been traveling, so I see like Olympics is on everywhere.
Right?
But one thing that I've noticed, it's like, it's so weird. It seems like the hunger Games, you know? Like I would see all these like crazy outfits and just like, oh, you know, this like extravagant thing. I'm like, this is the Olympics now, like, why is this?
It's so different now than it, than what I remember it being.
Well, the Olympics is a giant scam. There's two things going on simultaneously. Okay, you have the best athletes in the world participating in their disciplines, that's that's happening. And then on top of that, you have enormous amounts of money being made and none of it's going to the athletes.
It is a giant scam. So the kind of people that are putting together that ridiculous opening ceremony, we got a bunch of drag queens in the last supper and all that.
Yeah, well, I didn't understand that.
Nobody understands it because it's not made by athletes, it's not made by the Olympics, it's made by the people that are in charge of putting the Olympics out. So they're the ones who are reaping all the money and sucking all the cash out of these athletes. Got it?
Not only do they do that, but then they'll go to places like Brazil, and so if it's going to be in Brazil. They build this fucking enormous place for it to, to participate in all the different arenas where different people do their thing. And then after that, nothing, yeah.
So and then all the people there who are poor are like, Hey, where the fuck did this money come from? and why didn't you just spend it on this? The community? Why did you do this? Yeah, why'd you do this?
For volleyball like, is volleyball that fucking important? That you didn't like use that money to like help people, yeah.
Bizarre, that sucks.
The money they make is astronomical. The Olympics makes billions and billions of money in television revenue and advertising revenue, and they don't give any of it to the athletes.
So it just goes to, like the Olympic Committee, they're just balling.
Wow, yeah, and these are the crazy people that are putting on the last supper with transsexuals, that's that's what they're doing.
Was it the last supper? Yeah, I saw it was something out like.
Fuck it was.
It said something like, Uh, some Greek, uh.
Nonsense, that was a they tried to say that after the fact. The lady who was playing Jesus literally said she was Olympic Jesus. She was joking around about being Olympic Jesus because she was in the same position.
Jesus was in the last supper. She had the halo behind her head. It was they're being artsy, they're being fun, you know, but it's not, it's not the place for it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's you're pushing this weird agenda in this place where people are already getting fucked over, right? The whole Olympics is just people getting fucked over.
Yeah, I mean, if you're the best athletes in the world, representing your country, yeah, at the highest level.
The highest level.
Possibly humanly possible for one. Yeah, you should be getting compensated.
A shit load of money.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and yeah. I think that there should be something that's more focused on the extravagance of like this moment. Yes, of like the athletes waiting so long to be able to do this. And yeah, it should be more athlete focused, for sure.
Yeah, they just, and not so much like a show.
They let some wacky gay dude get a hold of the fucking the reigns. And he decided to do this, and that's what it was. That's literally what it is, that's literally what it is.
And he just decided to have a guy in a beard. But this is true, this is the actual person that put it together, that is who he is. Oh, really.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't even know that. Oh yeah, they know who the guy is, we don't need to name him.
Okay.
He's getting enough hate as it is, but the whole thing's fucking completely insane. But my point is, the whole Olympics are insane, they're robbing people, they're robbing the athletes.
No one is tuning in, there's not billions of people all over the world tuning in just to see a bunch of transsexuals pretend to be Jesus and the disciples. That's not why they're tuning in, they're tuning in to see who's going to win the 100-meter dash.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who's going to win this, who's going to win that, who's going to win the sprints, who's going to win whatever the fucking event is?
Who's going to win boxing? That's what people are tuning in, and those people that have dedicated their entire lives to wrestling in the Olympic Games, they're not getting a fucking scratch of that.
That's so crazy.
It's nuts.
Oh man, so....
It's nuts.
And there's nothing to do about it, nobody can do anything about that.
It's just pure chaos. Well, at one point in time, there was probably no money in the Olympics because there was no television, right? So at one point in time, the Olympics was just about the best athletes in the world competing against the other best athletes in the world. It was for national pride, you bring a gold medal.
You have a fucking parade when you get back home. It was great, and it was probably very I don't know what. The original like, the one where Hitler was in the 1936 Olympics. And he's fucking jacked up on meth and he's rocking back and forth.
Have you seen that one?
No, dude, you never saw that. No, you're putting me on so much game right now, you're putting me on so much.
Yo, I got a guy coming on tomorrow to actually talk about drugs in the Nazis, like all the crazy drugs that they were doing.
They had to be on drugs.
All kinds of stuff, for sure, all kinds of cocaine. They were getting, free drugs, meth.
Yeah, they were getting free drugs and there was no just saying no. Back then, everybody was like, What does this do? Keeps me up for days.
Let's go.
Fucking bang.
Bang So Hitler at the Munich Olympics is like, he's on meth and he's rocking back and forth. He's just amphetamined out of his fucking mind, just coked up.
Just rocking back and forth while everybody's watching the Olympics. What show it to him, Jamie?
Yeah, we need to see this.
We played this like.
Look at him.
Oh my god.
Look at him rocking dude, look at him going, he's going.
Oh, what a maniac.
That dude ruined.
He ruined that mustache forever.
Yeah.
You know, just rocking back and forth, wow. But back then, how many sports were in? was that 36, 1936 or 38?
36.
How many sports were in the 1936 Munich Olympics? Because now there's, there's everything swimming and rhythmic gymnastics.
Some type of shooting, yeah, there's decathlons.
There's only a certain number of events, so if they just put a new one in, they got to take something out. Oh, really, yeah. That's why they lost wrestling a few years ago and everybody got mad because they added skateboarding or surfing or something like that.
Is that always been the case? Yeah, from the beginning, I mean, not. There was only like 10 games to start with.
How many events were in the 1936 Olympics? Though? I've been looking because I know they might have put a cap on them in the future. I don't know if they had a cap on it back then, but my point is back then. Like in the Jesse Owens days, when Muhammad Ali won the gold medal, those guys weren't doing that for money.
For Ali, it was like a way that he could transfer into professional boxing. And with Meldrick Taylor and Purnell Whitaker, those guys got fast-tracked. Martin Breland, Evander Holyfield, all those guys who medaled, the venues for the events they had, they had a lot going on.
So they have a lot of stuff, but not as much as they have now.
I don't know.
I wonder, see if you can find how many more events are there in 2024 than there were in 1936? See if they say that. But the point is, everybody who did the Olympics before television, they just did it for national pride, just like winning the Nationals in wrestling. Yeah, of course.
You do it just for the glory of it. 32 Sports 329 events in 32 sports, including 28 Core Olympic Sports, contested in 2016-2020. And then what did it used to be in, like, 1936??
129 events in 25 disciplines.
So it's slightly less.
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The Olympics were often considered controversial because they were held to showcase the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler's theories of Aryan supremacy. All jacked up on coke. We're the best.
Oh my god, we're the fucking best. What a fucking maniac.
Wow, nuts. My point is back then, there was no television revenue, no one was making billions and billions and billions of dollars. So the Olympics started with a very pure intention.
Pure intention of just winning, being the best.
Be the best for your country.
But somewhere along the line, it became this fucking enormous business and the athletes never got cut in.
And no one's ever spoken up about it, have they?
What can they do? They don't have any power, no one has any power.
Yeah, that's true.
The TV networks don't want to change. They're like, shut the fuck up, everybody's like, shut the fuck up.
This is getting us views because they're just stealing.
They're just stealing money. Imagine if that was the case with the NBA or the NFL or UFC? Imagine if the athletes got zero money. And everybody else is driving around in Rolls Royces and living in mansions, it would be crazy.
It would be super crazy.
Yeah, you guys are fighting for glory. yeah, only glory. This is not about money, you represent your country, your state. We've done studies and it shows that when people fight for money, they don't fight that hard.
Yeah, so what, that's the Olympics. They're boxing for zero dollars, they're punching each other in the face as hard as they can for zero dollars.
For glory. And this woman today got punched in the face by a man.
Damn.
Yeah, they let a trans—there's apparently two, at least two transgender boxers that are fighting in women's boxing. What the fuck?
I don't understand.
You can't understand because you're not retarded, it has to be something wrong with you to understand, to think that that makes sense. And all you have to do is say, you're a woman, but you're not, though. I say I'm a werewolf, but when the moon comes out, I stay a person.
This is not real. I want to understand from their part their reasoning.
Because you're a nice guy, you want to think that there's some part of this, like, there's probably some sort of a reason. Oh, if they explain it to me, like, Oh, I see your perspective, yeah, I want to see their perspective, there's no perspective.
It doesn't exist, it doesn't exist because that perspective would gray the line to like, well, why not just let all men compete? In women's sports? Well, men would dominate, and that's why you have Title IX. There's a reason why men and women's sports are separated.
Because it's not fair.
Yeah, it's not fair.
There's a reason why the UFC has weight classes. You're not fighting? BRANDON MARINO Yeah, sure, because it's not fair, right? All these things are put in place to make things as fair as possible.
Weight classes, gender distinctions, the article says. They're not transgender. What are you talking about? That's what this says. They may be intersex.
Wait a minute, is this today? This is about them? Yeah, July 30th, July 30th.
That's today. But there is an athlete that they were saying was a male athlete that was competing. Riley Gaines posted it on her Instagram. It says they failed tests that came back testosterone tests, elevated testosterone.
What does that mean? So they took testosterone. Is it exogenous? Why are they calling this person transgender? are they female to male?
Like, they're trying to transition to male. Is that what they're saying? I don't know.
What, okay?
What article is this from? Outsports? Outsports What is Outsports? Well, I mean, I'd go to somewhere else.
But hold on, what is outsports, what is that, what is the probably LGBT?
Yeah, it's LGBT, yeah, it is, so this might be biased. Google Transgender boxer and what is it saying?
Olympic Trans Boxers.
That's exactly where I started it. They will fight in Paris women's events. Yeah, but here, it said, this is the person.
Algeria's inane keel.
I don't know how to say that. And Taiwan's Ling Yu Ting were disqualified from Last God. It's pop-ups disqualified from last year's women's world boxing championships after failing gender eligibility tests.
Okay, that means they're transgender. Jamie. That OutSports is a biased website, it's unfortunately, it's kind of propaganda about this kind of stuff.
I don't.
All right, scroll it up, scroll it up again, so it says, Yeah, the person has the XY chromosome.
The boxer's chromosome text came back as XY, so that's a male. It says it's alleged well at the time of the disqualifications, based on DNA tests. We identified a number of athletes who tried to trick their colleges into posing as women, the association's president, Umar Kremlev, told Russia's TASS news agency at the time. According to the results of the test, it was proved that they have XY chromosomes.
Such athletes were excluded from competition. So I don't think Outsports is being honest about this particular thing. Because there's outrage all over the place about this one particular person that they're talking there that did test for an XY chromosome, that's a man. I know it sounds horrible to misgender someone and all that good stuff.
All that's great until you want to fight women or even compete against women. Let's just cut the shit.
Let's cut the shit. When it comes to competition, I guess, yeah, there's a level of like, it's just unfair, or it can be, you know.
Also, we're denying sandbagging.
Right, yeah.
We both know what sandbagging is. Yeah, for sure, sandbagging has always happened. You would get it in all sports. I remember when I was a kid, there was a kid that we were in little league baseball.
And there was a kid that was 15.
He was trying to say he was 13. This motherfucker threw heat, he threw heat, he had a crazy fastball.
And everybody's like, How old is this fucking kid?
Little League they're in like 80 to 89..
Oh, trans boxer Hergy Bakidan aims for gold medal. This is also from Outsports, though. Okay, so this one they're being honest about, right? But they're not being honest about that other one. As he competes in the women's boxing division.
Wait a minute, what does that mean? Why are they saying he? Then? This was the other one, See, they're saying himself in his nation.
So this is a trans, female to male competing in women's boxing. Because they're saying him so out would not be calling this person a male if this person identified as female. But they're competing in women's boxing, so that just means they're juicing up.
They're just cyborging their way to the thing. He proudly proclaims. He's never taking testosterone on his social media accounts. Okay, so he just says that he's a man.
So he's transgender, just by saying it, he's not doing any hormone replacement therapy, knowing his strong stance against discrimination he faced during competition. So this is just a woman that says they're a man and competes with women.
That's different, that's very different, especially if this person is not taking testosterone, that's very different, but the other one has XY chromosome.
That's a boy, congratulations.
There's a lot, man, that's a lot, that's a lot to take in, that's a lot for my brain to even process.
Well, it shouldn't be about ideology, it should be about biology. You should have biologists determine whether or not someone is male or female, it shouldn't be like you just decide. This article was nonsense, too.
Because you're saying he competes in women's boxing, well, why? why would he compete in women's boxing? If he thinks he's a man, go compete with the men.
Yeah, it's sad, and what I mean by that? It's sad because in today's times, it's hard to stay politically correct, right? It's impossible. Even now I'm like, how do I even talk about this?
I know you get what I mean without getting completely like, I don't know what to say, I don't know.
But that's the trick, the trick is getting you so confused by it all that you can't even discuss it.
Yeah.
And then you just sort of allow it to happen.
And you go, Well, it's not me.
What am I going to do?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What are you chewing on?
This is try these, that's Lucy's, that's a breaker, breaker, those are good.
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There's a little thingy, you crack it, yeah, crack it, and it has a nice flavor, yeah.
Wow, this is delicious.
Not bad, right?
Wow, okay.
Yeah, probably banned from the Olympics, I wonder if nicotine's banned. So speaking of which, we should probably get to your whole story, Yeah, let's do it.
So you were slated to fight? It was Jamal Hill, right? Yeah, and which has been a huge fight for you and for him.
And explain the story, Explain in your words what happened.
Okay.
Yeah, so I was scheduled to fight Jamal Hill co-main event at UFC 303 at the time. It was when Conor was still, you know, going to fight Chandler.
So, in preparation leading up to that fight.
I was, how do I even say this? I was working with a company who I like outsourced like to take care of my supplements and stuff like. Hey, you know, I don't have the time to necessarily like, pick what's right for me. But these guys, I trusted them, they promised me.
And they did your blood work, they did everything.
Blood work, everything. Like, you know, I trusted them, I'd taken their stuff before, passed drug tests before, so there was nothing for me to, you know, worry about. And then I. It was brought to my attention from the owner of the company.
He was visiting my house.
And pointed out something that I was taking and shouldn't have been, but it was sent to me from their company. They mentioned, you know, they sent a letter to the UFC as soon as I took it. I had to. I mean, I called the UFC. I mean, I was like, freaked out.
I was like, What the hell, I didn't know.
So this stuff that you were taking was a part of, like it was a stack of things, or was it like, –?
So let me I want to get this like, I want to get this correct, you know? Like, right, right, because this is the first time that I'm, you know, speaking about this publicly.
So the most simple way that I can put it is I was outsourcing my supplements.
I was sent a blended supplement that I was not told that I should not take. And the company knew that I'm a UFC fighter, that I'm under drug testing, protocol, like all this stuff, so they knew that.
And someone from their company sent me something that I shouldn't have taken, and there was no like, heads up, hey, this na-na-na-na-na. It just came and I continued to take my supplements as I'd been doing.
And then when it was brought to my attention, like, Hey, you shouldn't be taking this, that's when I immediately alerted the UFC and like, Hey, –.
So this is Dhea.
Correct Dhea, and it wasn't even it was in a blended supplement, so Dhea was inside of a vitamin-type supplement that they sent me.
And we should also point out, DHEA is not even performance enhancing, so it's not like you could get any kind of an advantage. It would help your health. It's kind of stupid that it's illegal.
Yeah, I mean, there's like when I looked at stuff from like the WADA list on why they banned it.
It just doesn't really make any sense, you know? And for it to have any type of performance enhancing benefits. I'd have to take it for a long time and a lot of it, and it still wouldn't even probably do anything, you know?
Yeah, it's not a steroid, the point is it's not like some crazy shit that you take like EPO or something.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So I don't understand if you told them that this was an accident. Given the understanding that this is not performance enhancing, why did they suspend you?
Okay, so UFC.
Which is awesome. They've been so helpful, man, like Donna and Jeff and even Hunter. I'm so grateful for them, but they had to suspend me.
They gave me a two-month suspension because my test did come back positive as soon as I told them. Hey, I just tested on May 4th, so I haven't gotten the results back yet. But this is what I just found out I've been taking, so it's probably going to come up on this test, so keep a lookout.
Keep your eye out.
So then they're like, Okay, they expedited my test, they called it like, Hey, we need this test back immediately. Because I was booked to fight. And so obviously this is like, I'm panicking, dude, I'm like, fuck.
Everything could go down and I fucking didn't do anything. Now, the biggest moment of my life that I've been preparing for is in jeopardy. So UFC expedited the test. They come back and Donna calls me, she's like, Okay, exactly what you stated did show up on the test. So we have to issue you some type of suspension for a failed drug test.
So they just gave me two months, but that's completely separate from the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Oh yeah, so that's what I'm in now, that's the situation.
So what are they trying to do?
So I'm still suspended under Nevada State, but they still haven't given me the time yet. Specifically. So. Yet today was supposed to be another hearing, but as far as I know right now, it's going to be somewhere nine months or more.
Jesus Christ, Yes for Dhea.
For Dhea.
God, that's so crazy.
And so UFC, they're trying to help and we're trying to get this like, come on guys, like, I'm being penalized for reporting, self-reporting.
Self-reporting, something that's not even performance enhancing.
And that's not even my fault, right? You get what I mean, like, I didn't intentionally do this.
So like, it's just a really, really rough time right now. JOe Like, it's hard for me to really kind of like, keep it together, especially. Like you were saying, like, I was scheduled to fight Jamal. And like, I'm at a point in my career right now where, man, I felt like, I feel like I'm really, damn close. But now I don't know what the hell's going on because I'm being held up by all of this stuff.
Yeah, you are really, damn close, you're really, really close, and every time we see you, you look better. I was really looking forward to that fight because I think that would be that's a giant test, you know, Jamal is a former champion.
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