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12) The Thieves' Code

2024-06-18 00:39:55

<p>Imagine you were a fly on the wall at a dinner between the mafia, the CIA, and the KGB. That’s where this unprecedented story begins. A journey through the dark world of Russian intelligence where, for the first time, a professed “sex spy” tells her story. All of it. </p> <p>Host Neil Strauss (Rolling Stone, The New York Times) brings listeners into the dangerous world of sexpionage, where enemies of the State are not the only victims. So too are the spies themselves, brainwashed to believe that their bodies belong to Russia and meticulously trained to become “the perfect weapons.” Who is Aliia Roza? From the creators of the hit podcast series To Live and Die in LA, this is To Die For.</p>

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I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. Come on over, let's sing. In 2001,, Police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode.

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Before escaping into the wilderness. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave. As I track down clues.

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I'm going to call the police. and have you removed. Hunting. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher.

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Back in 96, Atlanta was booming with excitement around hosting the Centennial Olympic Games. And then a deranged zealot willing to kill for a cause lit a fuse that would change my life and so many others forever. Rippling out for generations.

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Warning. The following episode contains explicit language and sexual themes. Listener discretion is advised.

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They saw themselves as the real carriers of the Russian tradition. And it was a world of very small, tightly organized criminal groups, which were brought together by a very strict and hierarchical code. Leaders of these groups, who were called thieves in law, which meant really thieves within their own law. They were called vori.

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What the traditional mafia is to Italy, the vori is to Russian organized criminal groups, or, as they're called in Russia, OPG. The vori were born in Soviet labor camps and eventually became the elite criminal class in Russia, known for a specific code of honor, one that had very strict guidelines around women.

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The broskoi zakon, or thieves code.

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He must forsake his family.

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He must never work.

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He must survive by criminal activities alone, help other thieves, and.

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recruit and train young beginners in the trade, limit his drinking, and not amass gambling debts that he cannot cover.

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The thief can have nothing to do with the authorities or serve in the military. He must keep his promises made to other thieves and abide by punishment determined by other thieves in law.

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He must refrain from marrying or having a family of his own.

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This does not preclude him from having a lover.

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I was, I had to kill you.

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Oh,

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episode 12, chapter 26, another life.

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So, Friday morning, I woke up and the first thing in my brain was, oh my God, what if I will not be able to do that? What if he wouldn't like me? What if something will go wrong? I didn't know.

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It was the day of Aliyah's biggest operation. On this Friday night, she would go to the city's hottest club, disguised as a high-class prostitute. Her mission, to seduce Vladimir, the head of a dangerous drug trafficking gang, and infiltrate his organization. Just one mistake could cost Aliyah her life. There was a lot of preparation to be done, and it started with remembering that Vladimir's childhood friend had told her team that the love of Vladimir's youth, who had left him for another man, had worn short skirts, white knee socks, and braided hair.

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I dressed in this really short skirt and I bought a really beautiful but very sexy, very open top with crystals on it. It was sparkling white. And I braided my hair. I put some makeup and I put white socks to my knees and I put some high heels.

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During their investigation, Aliyah's team had also learned about the personality of Vladimir's high school girlfriend. And what stood out was that she was very talkative and funny, almost silly.

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So I decided that I will rehearse in front of the mirror and I just started to pronounce these words in this, like, giggling way. I had to make sure he would definitely be interested and intrigued by me from the first moment. And I was thinking, what would I tell him and how would I look to him? So I trained my eyes as well with this, like, look, with full desire and admiration. And I remembered some jokes.

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So I wrote down some jokes. I mean, I was freaking out, seriously.

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Aliyah's team leader had already made the initial contact with the gang and established a relationship, pretending to be a small-time pimp and drug dealer.

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So in our plan, he's supposed to introduce me as one of the next girl. So he was literally, like, you know, pimp. But I didn't want to sleep with him from the first night because I knew it wouldn't be appreciated.

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That evening, Aliyah then met her colleagues to drive to the club and make the initial contact with Vladimir and his so-called brothers in the gang.

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So we set to the car. We drove.

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And my concern was about his brothers. He had always these, like, four guys next to him all the time. And they looked really violent and they were huge. No emotions on face. And you definitely don't want to see these guys in a dark neighborhood.

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Believe me, you don't.

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So I was thinking, how can I make them to like me? Because if I seduce Vladimir, need to seduce his, in a circle, in the way they would like me and they would accept me in the circle. They gave me the wire. And it was like, we will be nearby. If something will go wrong, don't worry, because we will be just in the car, sitting and, like, waiting for you.

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But your colleague will be next to you, your amazing pimp. So don't worry. Everything will be good. And then my colleague said, okay, be careful.

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Her mission was not just to get evidence against Vladimir's gang, but to uncover the whole network that was bringing drugs in from Afghanistan, then diluting them with chemicals, packaging them and distributing them in Russia.

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Our department wanted to find out who were these people who would fix and mix these drugs, because these people are responsible for all these deaths. Mixing all these doses with amphetamine and chemical drugs, it would kill other people.

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Eventually, Aliyah arrived at the club. It was one she'd never been to before, the most popular and exclusive in the city.

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So, we are there. I see the club, huge building, beautiful girls standing outside, smoking, beautiful dresses, just gorgeous. The music was so loud. And every time I hear this music, I'm remembering that night.

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Her contact, who was undercover pretending to be her pimp, was waiting outside and went over the plan with her.

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He gave me instructions. We should come to the bar, a counter, and order some drinks. And he will do the whole introduction. And all I need to do is just smile, be nice and just be playful. If Vladimir likes you, usually if he likes the girl, I introduced him, he invites her to the table.

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If he doesn't like her, he doesn't introduce her to the table, and that's how I know that I should find another girl for him.

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Between her strict upbringing, military school, and Chechnya, Aliyah had never been to a place like this before. As she walked to the door, she was intoxicated by the glamour, almost forgetting the gravity of her mission.

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I'd never been in the club. I'd never been dancing. I'd never hang out with other people like that. So I just wanted to have fun. And I was thinking that I'll do my job, but you know what?

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I'll have a good time. Why not?

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We came to the bar counter. My pimp ordered some drinks and I was like, don't think.

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But from my peripheral vision, I saw Vladimir looking at me, because they were sitting at the corner table, which was the biggest table, and it was on the stage. My pretending pimp, he said, okay, be ready. He's coming. Stop drinking. He came and he looked at me and he was like observing and studying what I'm doing.

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Like every single my move, like, and it was so exciting. It was so cold and it was so dangerous.

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I didn't even want to have any thought that he may ever know that I was an undercover agent. I just didn't allow this thought to come to my brain. as I was taught. Never think about a failure. Because you will fail and I have to be the winner.

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So then, my pretending pimp, he touched my shoulder and he said, hey, this is Vladimir. Want to introduce you.

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And the moment I looked at Vladimir with my seductive, playful look, the whole love, which I created for two months, looking at him every single day, for eight hours at least. And he noticed.

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Ilya worked her usual routine, making sure to embody the positive, funny qualities of Vladimir's former girlfriend, while adding in her seduction training, specifically flattery, complimenting Vladimir as he talked about being one of the owners of the club.

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And that's the power of the manipulative compliments. And while he was telling me these things, we were walking and he brought me to the table. And we sat down and my pretending pimp, I could see him. So he was standing at the bar counter and, just like sipping a drink. I felt like it's okay.

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I'm not alone. I felt safe, kind of, more or less.

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So I asked him some questions which will lead him to the conversation where he would think that we have mutual interests.

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After creating this initial rapport, Ilya moved on to the next part of the script she'd been practicing.

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So I had homework to write these stories and then I rehearsed it in front of the mirror, so I could tell him and he laughed. And then he told to one of his guys, Oh, look, like, listen to her story. It's so funny. Like, she's a funny girl.

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It was a crazy feeling when you're playing the role of someone else. Even though, like, I, did a rehearsal and I did the whole preparation, but yet inside of me, I still had this kind of what, if, you know, like, I need to be careful here.

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As she worked to win over the group, she noticed that one person in Vladimir's gang wasn't trusting this unfamiliar woman, who seemed to be entertaining the whole table.

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And I started to tell this funny story and everybody laughed, apart from one guy.

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And he looked at me like he was looking through me. Trying to read my mind, and just like checking every single details, which I had. I felt that look. I didn't like it at all. It made me worried.

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And Vladimir said, oh, this is my right hand, which I knew. I always used to see him next to him. So he never, like, had any emotions on his face. He would be really, like, strict and he wouldn't go out with any girls. Really kind of like a good security, like a perfect dog, which is just watching and sitting there.

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And I try not to pay attention, but I felt that I should be really careful with this guy. Like, super careful.

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I'm Jon Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. In 2001,. police say I killed my family.

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First mom, then the kids. And rigged my house to explode in a quiet suburb. This is the Beverly Hills of the Valley. Before escaping into the wilderness. There was sleet and hail and snow coming down.

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They found my wife's SUV. Right on the reservation boundary. And my dog blew. All I could think of is him going to sniper me out of some tree. But not me.

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Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. For two years. They won't tell you anything. I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave.

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Tracking down.

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clues. They were thinking that I picked him up and took him.

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somewhere. If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher. One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Do you recognize my voice?

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Join an exploding house to hunt family annihilation today. And a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

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As she sat at the table, trying to win the acceptance of Vladimir's circle, Alia saw an opportunity that might save the mission if her seduction failed. To recruit one of the women there as a friend and unwitting informant. So she set her sights on the member of the entourage who seemed to be closest to the gang.

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She was wearing very low waist jeans and her panties, I could see her panties like out of her jeans and it was all kind of like crystals. And I was so shocked. First of all, I've never seen anything like that. And then I was like, wow, this is like super fashion. And I started to speak with this girl about her like look and fashion style and said like, oh, you put everything so nicely and she loved it and we started to talk.

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So Anna, her name was Anna, she was a perfect informer. First of all, she was in the gang for quite a long time and she was sometimes sleeping with one right hand of the Vladimir. And she's like, oh, my God, you're so cool. You should come again. We should hang out and we exchanged numbers.

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So it was good, because I will get more information about this gang. Like, what does she know? I wanted just to get everything out of her head.

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With this small victory secured, Lia tried to figure out how to turn her attention back to Vladimir.

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And I felt that Vladimir looked at me a few times, very briefly, and I put my hand on his knees very softly and I felt that he liked it. And then I slowly moved my hand a little bit further. And then, you know, just on his inner thigh a little bit. And at the same moment he hugged me, I felt like, yes, okay, I'm getting closer. Good.

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So I established kind of connection.

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Whenever Lia noticed Vladimir speaking about something that excited him, she used the NLP techniques she'd learned in the Academy and try to anchor those good feelings to her. And when.

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he had these positive memories, I touched his neck. I established that, that anchor. And I felt like, you know, like it has to work, because I did work on Kornel.

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It was important for me to have his desire to meet with me again, to be like, you know, there is something about this girl. I don't know what, but she, she's interesting. And then Lia used one of the.

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oldest seduction tricks in the book, leave them wanting more.

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But in about an hour, I said to Vladimir, I'm really sorry, I have to go home. My university starts like at early morning and I have to do my classes. He was like, yeah, of course I do understand. And he said, let's go. I will drop you off.

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This was the moment when Lia knew she'd accomplished her initial objective. An added success was that she would now have some time alone with Vladimir in the car. It was also an added danger. Vladimir signaled to two of his friends, who left with them and followed in a car behind.

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We were driving to my house to drop me off and I was thinking if my colleagues, if they will be following us or not. I didn't know that time, but I knew they were checking on me. Well, that's what I wanted to, to think.

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Chapter 27 Uncle Stopa.

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This is the face of a true Russian mobster.

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The logic goes like this, cops usually catch the grunts, the soldiers, the lower-level thugs and crooks who do the dirty work.

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while the bosses who give the orders sit back and maintain the.

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appearance of innocence. The bosses don't like to get their hands dirty. And so it is rare to prove serious crimes against them.

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Lia had just left the club with her target. She was now alone in the car with Vladimir, the leader of one of the biggest drug trafficking and extortion gangs in the city. Behind her, there was another car following them, filled with other equally dangerous criminals in Vladimir's gang. She hoped that behind them were the much less dangerous, much less experienced members of her backup team.

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While we were driving, he asked me some questions like, what's your blood, where are you coming from? Because I obviously don't look like a Russian girl. And I said, well, guess. And he was like, Tajikistan, I'm like, warm. Okay, Uzbekistan, I'm like, warmer.

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So what, like, Kazakhstan, like, yes, hot, hot, hot. And I was giggling and he loved it because it brought him to his childhood.

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He's like, you're so funny. Like what, you couldn't say. you're from Kazakhstan? I'm like, well, it wouldn't be interesting, right? Don't?

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you like games? And he looked at me like this, well, depend what kind of games. I said, like, with me, it will be only funny games.

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They soon arrived in front of Aliyah's apartment.

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I leaned to Vladimir and I kissed his cheek and I said, well, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. And he's like, okay, sunshine, sleep well. And I'll text you tomorrow. And I remember I was like walking into apartments, like all my hands were shaking.

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I was like, oh my God, oh my God, I can't believe it. Like, wow, that was, it was an experience. I felt so many emotions.

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I asked Aliyah whether she was worried that, since the gang knew where she lived, they could then follow her and find out she was really an intelligence agent.

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We agreed before with my team, once I will infiltrate the gang, I will not go back to the office at all. Also, I had a separate number, which was, you know, the SIM card was registered, not on my name.

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The next day, Aliyah texted Anna, the woman she had met at the club, in hopes of befriending her and recruiting her as an informant. They agreed to meet at a trendy cafe later that afternoon.

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I went to see her. She was sitting in a beautiful dress, looking so cool, beautiful. So I started to ask her about herself first. She was hanging out with this gang for almost a year, which was really important to know her well and establish good connection. Eventually, Aliyah found a.

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way to ask Anna about the very quiet gang member, the one who was staring mistrustfully at her in the club the night before. And then.

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that guy who was looking at me with this like sharp eyes, absolutely cold and tough, that guy actually was one of Vladimir's very old friend. So that guy actually was responsible for bringing and supplying heroin and cocaine. And she said like, he's so creepy. He always like sitting there, like quiet, and he looks at everybody.

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and everything. As Aliyah talks more about her meeting with Anna, she keeps referring to how stylish Anna was and how well the gang took care of her financially. So I asked her if, although her job was to seduce the gang, was she also being seduced by the glamour, celebrity and lifestyle of the gang? And you didn't have any female role models. in a sense, until you met Anna.

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Anna was my role model.

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100%. because I asked her like, where do you buy all this crazy, amazing clothes? And she's like, oh, it's like this boutique. It's super exclusive. I'll bring you there.

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And yes, I was seduced by the fashion that moment. Yes, that's where my fashion desire and fashion comes from. that time, 100%. Because, look, also, it was USSR. Everybody was wearing the same very dark and just very awful clothes.

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And then USSR fall and all these American clothes comes like jeans, like cool shoes, like trainers.

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Back at her home, Aliyah received a text from Vladimir inviting her to meet him at the club that evening.

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I came to the club by the taxi. I texted Sasha. He said he's on the spot. I also texted Anna. I said that I'm coming.

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So she was waiting for me. So I walked in and it was scary.

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I felt like I'm a deer, or like a llama walking into the tiger's home. But I said no, I can do it. So I put a big smile on my face.

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And I saw him. He looked at me and he stand up, and that guy was also there exactly the same spot. And I saw he was watching me, watching through me.

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And it felt like he knew who I really was.

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Aliyah tried to focus on the task at hand, returning her attention to Vladimir, the gang's leader.

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I wanted to seduce him. So we talked about his past and he told me a little bit about his family, which is great. And there was one question which every man loves and every man wants to talk about this. And this is the question which brings woman very close to the man. And the question is...

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Aliyah pauses and asked me to guess the question. Very similar to the game she was playing with Vladimir. I'm unable to guess it.

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When I was in the military academy, the colonel said the most psychological technique, which really makes the brain of the man becomes really attached to the woman. If the woman asked, what was your dream when you were a little boy? Then I asked this question to Vladimir and he said, I wanted to be like Uncle Stoppa. Uncle Stoppa, it's Marshak's poem for children. And it was about this Uncle Stoppa, who would be like a real hero in real life.

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And he was like a policeman. Can you imagine? Vladimir, when he was a little boy, he wanted to be a good, noble, brave policeman.

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And I touched his hand and I said to him, that's so amazing. I wanted to work in police too, but I go into another direction. But you know what? We still can try a lot of things in our life. You're still young.

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The whole world is around us, like, you know, you can do anything you want. And I smiled. But inside of me, I felt like you don't know what you're doing. You don't know what you're talking about, because I was in trouble. And he, that moment, he was, he had much more and bigger freedom than I did.

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Well, Vovan, the Olympics are underway. It's useless to talk about it as a thing. that's happening in the future. when it's happening in the present. It's happening now.

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And what's happening now is our podcast, Two Guys, Five Rings, is a phenomenon. And while real medals are being handed out in Paris, we're giving out our fake medals here. Two Guys, Five Rings, Matt Bowen, and the Olympics. Who are we watching this? Olympic Games?

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I mean, I'm watching Simone Biles. I'm watching her go higher and higher and higher with every bounce. Sha'Carri's about to run faster than you or I or anyone has ever seen. I'm ready for the girls and the boys and everybody under the sand river. Under the sand, over the sand, within the waters of the sand, all of them.

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Follow the show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or your favorite podcast platform, and watch and listen to every moment of the 2024 Paris Olympic Games now through August 11th, on NBC and Peacock and, for the first time ever, on the iHeartRadio app.

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I'm Jon Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. In 2001,. police say I killed my family, first, mom, then the kids, and rigged my house to explode in a quiet suburb.

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This is the Beverly Hills of the valley. Before escaping into the wilderness, there was sleet and hail and snow coming down. They found my wife's SUV right on the reservation boundary and my dog blew. All I could think of is him going to sniper me out of some tree, but not me. Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere.

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For two.

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years, they won't tell you anything.

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I've traveled the nation. I'm going down in the cave, tracking down clues.

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They were thinking that I picked him up and took him somewhere.

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If you keep asking me this, I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Searching for Robert Fisher, one of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Do you recognize my voice? Join an exploding house to hunt family annihilation today and a disappearing act. Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

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This second night with Vladimir was key to Aaliyah's seduction. If it didn't go well, she might never see him again. And it's becoming clear here that this was important to Aaliyah, not just because she wanted to succeed in her mission, but because she wanted to keep her access to this world. she was becoming so enamored by. The world of beauty, power, luxury, and fashion that her strict father forbid her from participating in as a teenager.

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At the end of the day, I had to do my job. It had to be the best night in his life. The best. So the time has come and he kind of like nod with his head and his brothers, and these two guys stand up and we started to walk out from the club.

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They drove to Vladimir's home, a building that Aaliyah had staked out many times over the past few months, but she'd never been inside.

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And we came to his house, it was a big house, beautiful. We walked upstairs, but these two guys, they were in the house too. They were kind of like security, but also friends and colleagues. It was a little bit difficult because I was planning to like search house and see what's everywhere.

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We walked into his bedroom and I saw a big bed.

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And I saw ceiling was mirror ceiling and it was a little bit awkward because I've never seen anything like this before.

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And he started to kiss me, and you know that moment I surprised. I never felt this with anyone before. My whole body reacted on his kisses and on his touches, and I felt good.

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And I just forgot that it was my job, and I forgot that I have to do it to get information. and I forgot that it wasn't really me. I just said myself.

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I just want to experience that. I want to try it with a man whom I really want. Not when I was abused or raped. I want to do it for myself. So I just.

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I accepted him.

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fully and I never ever experienced anything like that before and it was so beautiful and powerful like he just opened me like a woman, and I looked in the mirror and the ceiling and the first moment in my life. I received such a strong orgasm. He was the first man who really gave me that pleasure and that understanding of my my sexuality as a woman. And I felt so special in his hands.

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There was just one problem with this otherwise perfect moment. Aaliyah was not here to feel special. She was here to find evidence against the man. She was starting to fall in love with.

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I stand up slowly so he wouldn't wake up. I didn't go downstairs because I didn't know exactly where these guys were sleeping, but upstairs I opened the door of another room and I saw huge black trash bags. So I walked and I slowly opened it and I saw that it was full of.

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cash.

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Lots of lots of money.

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Aaliyah's story continues in episode 13.

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. What city do you live in? I'm in Los Angeles. If I didn't like you and I found you in Los Angeles and stabbed you.

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on the sidewalk.

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I would immediately have heat on me.

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To die for is a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with iHeart Podcasts. The show is hosted and written by me, Neil Strauss, with additional writing assistance by Tristan Bangston. Executive producers are myself, Donald Albright, and Patrick O'Donnell. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are Matt Frederick and Alex Williams. Lead producer and editor is Tristan Bangston.

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Additional editing by Miles Clark and Christian Brown. Supervising producer, Tracy Kaplan. Consultants include Nushin Valizadeh, Chelsea Gooden, and Jamie Albright. Artwork by Byron McCoy. Original music by Makeup and Vanity Set.

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Mixed and mastered by Dayton Cole. Our theme song is Killer Shangri-La by Psychotic Beats, featuring Patti Amore. Special thanks to Oren Rosenbaum and the team at UTA, Beck Media and Marketing, Oren Siegel, Becky Jensen, The Nord Group, Mirda Stedman, Rose Baruch, and Alex Vespisted.

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I'm John Walczak, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona. And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world. We cloned his voice using AI. In 2001,. police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode before escaping into the wilderness.

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Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere. Join me. I'm going down in the cave as I track down clues. I'm going to call the police and have you removed. Hunting.

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One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world. Robert Fisher. Do you recognize my voice? Listen to Missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

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Back in.

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96, Atlanta was booming with excitement around hosting the Centennial Olympic Games. And then, a deranged zealot willing to kill for a cause, lit a fuse that would change my life and so many others forever. Rippling out for generations.

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Listen to Flashpoint on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or.

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wherever you get your podcasts.

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